The Truth About Islam

topic posted Thu, March 22, 2007 - 8:50 PM by  Rocky
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The Truth About Islam

We hear so much folderol these days about Islam being a "peaceful religion." The fact is that Islam is anti-human and anti-woman - the most anti-human and anti-woman ideology on the face of the earth today. We need merely repeat a number of quotes from the Koran itself in order to prove these points. Anyone who claims the opposite is either willfully ignorant or despicably dishonest - and there are far too many people making such erroneous or deceptive assertions.

Let's start with the idiocy that Islam is "peaceful." In the first place, the record speaks for itself: Horrendous barbarism and atrocity repeatedly carried out in the name of Islam, wherever it can be found worldwide over a period of many centuries. Let us examine one of the worst examples of modern history: The horrors perpetrated in Bangladesh. No civilized human being could possibly participate in such atrocities.

tbknews.blogspot.com/2006/03...ind.html

3 million deaths and 200,000 rapes - these are the fruits of a "peaceful religion?!"

Fast forward to the millions of foaming-at-the-mouth ranters killing and threatening people worldwide over some cartoons - cartoons that accurately lampooned this hideous ideology. These are the fruits of a "peaceful religion?"

The list of atrocities done in the name of Islam is VERY LONG and includes the ongoing torture of women. Let's proceed with the fallacy that Islam is "peaceful." Here is a quote from the Koran that puts to rest that lie once and for all:

"Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home: an evil fate." Q 9:73

I repeat, anyone asserting otherwise is simply ignorant or a purveyor of falsehood, to say the least.

The treatment of women within Islam is absolutely ABYSMAL - and is contrived to be so, through the manmade set of "laws" found in the Koran, a book with the psychotic qualities of the Bible but none of the "entertaining" stories. It is as if the writers of the Koran set out to chronicle the most atrocious concept of God ever developed. Here is what the Koran says about women:

"Men have authority over women because God has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient." Q 4:34

PLEASE read the other quotes at: www.truthbeknown.com/islamquotes.htm

This article ranks no. 1 in the world when "quotes from the koran" is googled, along with a number of other keyphrases.

I will not even go into the horrid mistreatment of boys within Muslim communities - it is a revolting aspect indeed. I have written about this awful psychopathy within Islam for many years, but many still do not know about it. Even though it is unfortunately not widely known, there is an unending epidemic of child abuse - specifically sexual abuse - within Islamic societies, starting, of course, with Mohammed's rape of his 9-year-old "bride."

These facts should not be let slip by lightly, as they are the root of much of the sociopathy we are facing with the encroachment of Muslim cultures in the U.S. and elsewhere. With that increase in the U.S., we also have record numbers of emergency-room visits by little girls with their genitals hacked off, a recent case of the psycho in Georgia who cut off his 2-year-old daughter's clitoris with a pair of scissors. Fortunately, this demented moron received 10 years - because female genital mutilation is illegal in the U.S., as it should be in any CIVILIZED country.

In my opinion, the spread of this fanatically violent and misogynistic ideology is a great threat that we all need to take very seriously. It does not bode well for the civilized world that the purveyors of barbarism are freely trampling over the term "truth." These individuals should NOT be allowed to get away with their spurious and disgraceful assertions but should be loudly called to the carpet.

~ Acharya

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    The question isn't whether Islam is misogynist or has inspired killing. There is no question that--whether interpreted correctly or not--it has.

    The question is what other religions are also misogynist and inspire killing. And again, whether interpreted correctly or not, most world religions also match this description.
    • "And again, whether interpreted correctly or not, most world religions also match this description."

      I would say all, and add to that many forms of secular thinking or philosophies; man doesnt need much to inspire him to his basest instincts





      PS but it does seem that in our modern world, Islam is doing a very good job in leading the pack
      • I am always sceptical when reading quotes on the internet, and like to verify elsewhere. So I have started to read the koran to see for myself.

        In priciple however, I think all world religions are manipulative and have been misused with atrocious results. They should all be banned, unless they allow participants to blend and mix religious ideas as they please..to avoid the appearance of dogmas and intolerance.
        • "They should all be banned, unless they allow participants to blend and mix religious ideas as they please..to avoid the appearance of dogmas and intolerance."

          lots of luck


          PS I think the best statement there is to the present state of affairs, with in the Islamic world, was how people tended to react to the Infamous remarks by the Pope, that criticized Islam for being Inherently Violent. But to be honest, I doubt most of these problems can be solely attributed to religion, when such elements as poverty, corruption, and Education play such a visible role in shaping this world.
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            <The fact is that Islam is anti-human and anti-woman - the most anti-human and anti-woman ideology on the face of the earth today.>

            The same can easily be said for Christianity.

            The problem is all religions. By their very nature of claiming to be the one true faith people *must* follow they spread hate and incite violence. Religions are holding back the advancement of the human race. Religions are keeping people mired in the past and distracting us from the true state of the world. Religions will be the major cause of the extinction of the human race.
            • "The problem is all religions. By their very nature of claiming to be the one true faith people *must* follow they spread hate and incite violence. Religions are holding back the advancement of the human race. Religions are keeping people mired in the past and distracting us from the true state of the world. Religions will be the major cause of the extinction of the human race."

              Even secular thought can be attributed with some of the most violent actions on this planet, and blaming the ills of the world on religion ultimately gets us nowhere
              • no I will disagree that ALL religions are like that.

                In Japan, as one example, I am sure there are more, the Shinto-Buddhism mixed with a little Zen and some other ancient religions is truly a blend.
                In Japan you are born and blessed shinto, have a shinto wedding, and are buried a buddhist. In a house which has believers you will always find a little shinto shrine with water and prayer ribbons to keep the spirits happy, as well as a buddhist shrine to pray to the ancestors.. and many will have a zen corner to worship as well., these dont bite each other, any temple will accomodate all elements, often within a single building, or at least on the grounds.

                there is no japanese religious event which doesnt contain all the other religions..
                peacefully, contradictorily, tolerantly...

                In the christian community, there are pagan and norse religious elements, - but they have been denied by the christian church, and are not to be named as such., and the knowledge of their origin have purely historical interest, if that. So this is not what I mean, when I describe the situation in Japan.

                It is my impression that a similar situation as in Japan can be witnessed in other asian countries,- and this is also where I cannot recall religious wars in the past few 1000 years or so.. Can anyone confirm this?

                Religion will always be attractive to so many people while our daily lives do not contain spirituality and meaning. If we can achieve this without religion its popularity will fade, and a decent level of unity can be achieved.
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                  There is a reason Marx called religion the opiate of the people. :) A crutch for spirituality although I don’t think he saw it like that.

                  I have been to Japan and I have also studied Buddhism for a while. Although I studied in the US with a Korean Buddhist monk a little different than Japan. I do agree that Buddhism teaches many of the spiritual ideas that put the world on a better path. The ideas are much more connected to the earth and all creatures that live on it. But in Japan I saw a lot of the trappings of religion. During one of the larger ceremonies people travel from all over and donate in the temples. In one of the more popular temples in Japan they set up a huge net to collect the notes people throw in. By the end of the day the net is full to the height of a three story building (this is a very large temple) with billions worth of yen.
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                    But even Marxism wasn't free from Ideological thought and needless excess, a perfect example would be the Khmer Rouge
                • "It is my impression that a similar situation as in Japan can be witnessed in other asian countries,- and this is also where I cannot recall religious wars in the past few 1000 years or so.. Can anyone confirm this?"


                  Well this raises the question, is any religious war, really about religion? It is my understanding that the First Crusade was seen as a way of directing the Violent elements of European culture in a new direction. One can see the same scenario playing out in the Modern conflict between India and Pakistan ( it seems like nothing unites a people like a common enemy).


                  PS their was religious violence between the Yellow, and Red hat sects of Buddhism in Tibet as early as the 1600's ( I will have to look for further data on this, but do to the fact my brain doesnt work without caffeine, it will have to wait till later)

                  PSS " In Japan you are born and blessed shinto, have a shinto wedding, and are buried a buddhist. In a house which has believers you will always find a little shinto shrine with water and prayer ribbons to keep the spirits happy, as well as a buddhist shrine to pray to the ancestors.. and many will have a zen corner to worship as well., these dont bite each other, any temple will accomodate all elements, often within a single building, or at least on the grounds.

                  there is no japanese religious event which doesnt contain all the other religions..
                  peacefully, contradictorily, tolerantly "


                  You also see this in Bhutan with the open mixing of the Bon(sp) religion and Buddhism, and has a historical precedence in the local myth and legends of the area(Such as Drukpa Kunley's habit of Subduing the Demons of local areas via his "Thunderbolt of Wisdom". This same process can be seen at play in early Greek legend as well, say for instance Zeus's habit of taking a variety of concubines
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                    Pedophilia in Islam

                    Muhammed -The Pedophile -

                    Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64: Sahih Bukhari Aisha: that the Prophet (Muhammed 53 years old) married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).
                    www.papillonsartpalace.com/muht...d.htm

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                    Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, The Supreme Leader of Iran, the Shia Grand Ayatollah, 1979-89 said in his official statements:

                    "A man can quench his sexual lusts with a child as young as a baby. However, he should not penetrate. Sodomizing the baby is halal (allowed by sharia). If the man penetrates and damages the child, then he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life. This girl, however, does not count as one of his four permanent wives. The man will not be eligible to marry the girl’s sister. It is better for a girl to marry when her menstruation starts, and at her husband's house rather than her father's home. Any father marrying his daughter so young will have a permanent place in heaven."

                    Khomeini, "Tahrirolvasyleh" fourth volume, Darol Elm, Gom, Iran, 1990

                    “It is not illegal for an adult male to 'thigh' or enjoy a young girl who is still in the age of weaning; meaning to place his penis between her thighs, and to kiss her.”
                    www.faithfreedom.org/Article...18p2.htm

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                • It's nice to want to soft-sell Shintoism, being a living pagan religion, but it's very wrapped up with Japanese nationalism and xenophobia - as my Japanese wife has often reminded me. And the Japanese samurai, as well as soldiers during WWII, cut and pasted their own version of Buddhism that embraced nihilism as a philosophy, in order to create perfect warriors by removing fear of death. The results were endless blood-feuds (in the case of samurai) and kamikaze pilots (who also, because of Shinto tradition, saw the Emperor as a living god).

                  This same process is behind the corruptions of Islam and Christianity being pushed by religiofascists, who interpret the texts as they see fit to further their own agenda. It's important to remember that fundamentalist Muslims use Islam as a justification of some particularly brutal tribal customs, though such customs are not mentioned in the Koran, just as Christian fundamentalists re-interpret the bible, or worse, wholly invent nonsensical proclamations, like the Robertson/Falwell axis of evil blaming 9/11 and Hurricane Katrina on moral decay. It is religious fundamentalism that is the problem -- whatever the religion in question -- and not necessarily the religions themselves. Religion can be often be relatively harmless, and religions, like political parties, have their liberals and moderates as well.

                  Unless we separate fundamentalist thought from religion, we'll never be any closer to understanding what causes the hatred and violence perpetrated by people under the guise of religion. Fundamentalism is the real enemy, not a specific religion, as fundamentalism and its resulting fanaticism crosses ALL religious lines.
                  • This is the maximum depth. Additional responses will not be threaded.
                    "It is religious fundamentalism that is the problem -- whatever the religion in question -- and not necessarily the religions themselves. Religion can be often be relatively harmless, and religions, like political parties, have their liberals and moderates as well. "


                    Thanks for getting at the Nut of Truthiness there
                    • I have searched high and low abot the possible sections referred to in the links sited below, where sections of the Islam are perported to site pedophaelia.

                      Besides actually holding a copy of the Qur'an in my hand as I type this, I have searched the internet,- and cannot even find "Book7" and cant imagine to where or what this is referring to, as the Qur'an does not have 7 books, and is counted in Sura's.

                      <<From Wikipedia: Format of the Qur'an

                      The first chapter of the Qur'an consisting of seven Ayat.
                      Main article: Sura
                      The Qur'ān consists of 114 suras of different lengths, with a total of 6236 verses (Arabic: ayat literary meaning "sign") (6348 ayat counting all the basmalas (q.v.)). [26]>>
                      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qur'an

                      the book of Qur'an online, where the Sura are called Chapter
                      etext.virginia.edu/toc/mode...Kora.html

                      I guess this is a good example where religion is used to promote political means.. via slander and false statements.
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                        at least the Japanese dont have to pay church tax as part of their governmental tax system,- like we do here in Switzerland!! (there are more than a billion yen's worth of Swiss Francs to collect every year for swiss christian churches!!

                        (It is possible to opt out, and declare yourself a non-believer.. but if you got to the city office to do this, they at first will tell you that this is not possible,- as it is so unheard of..)

                        I pay the same amount of taxes as the others by the way,- I guess in theory my little piece just shouldnt be passed along to the churches..though I doubt there are books kept on the escapees!
                      • Actually Jana, if you read that website, they give you everything you need to find quotes from the Koran.

                        On the next part I shared, here is the website to the translator from the original language. It's anything but political slander and false statements.

                        Dr. Homa Darabi's Foundation is a non-profit organization, independent from all present political, social and religious factions with goal and objective to promote the Rights of women and children as defined by the Universal Declaration of the United Nations 1948 General Assembly.

                        * To Separate Church and State
                        * To Establish Democracy
                        * To Abolish Gender Apartheid and to Establish the
                        * Equality of the Sexes

                        www.homa.org/

                        www.homa.org/default.asp
                        • there is an update relating to the homa site here
                          mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/053937.php

                          also I found out one sister is in the states, building war equipment for the NATO, while the other killed herself in 1994,- so I guess she is trying to find a culprit. Understandable, but not fair.
                          here a wiki stub
                          en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parvin_Darabi

                          I found many posts of hers all over the web, clearly home spun , angry and not having the spell checker switched on.
                          sorry, but I cannot take such a person seriously.
                          In fact, I think with her approach she is discrediting serious campaigns which could move things in the right direction for womens rights for example.. It saddens me that what she does is motivated by hatred, and is not helping anyone.

                          P.S: as I said, I am holding a copy of the Qur'an, and what they cite does not relate to what I am holding in my hand.
                          • and this just a related site, which may also shed more light on what is going on.
                            www.jihadwatch.org/
                            • Good points Jana,

                              That particular bit is from "Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64: Sahih Bukhari Aisha", not the Koran.

                              "Vol. 4", "4th Edition"? - It is an easy typo. As for the 'updates'. . Maybe its best to actually make contact with Dr. Homa Darabi for your questions? Let us know what you find out - www.homa.org/Contact_Us/Default.asp

                              If its Islam quotes you're looking for - www.truthbeknown.com/islamquotes.htm

                              'Immigrant Rape Wave in Sweden' -

                              "An Islamic Mufti in Copenhagen sparked a political outcry after publicly declaring that women who refuse to wear headscarves are "asking for rape." Apparently, he's not the only one thinking this way. “It is not as wrong raping a Swedish girl as raping an Arab girl,” says Hamid. “The Swedish girl gets a lot of help afterwards, and she had probably fucked before, anyway."

                              "The number of rapes committed by Muslim immigrants in Western nations are so extremely high that it is difficult to view them only as random acts of individuals. It resembles warfare. Muhammad himself had forced sex (rape) with several of his slave girls/concubines. This is perfectly allowed, both in the sunna and in the Koran. If you postulate that many of the Muslims in Europe view themselves as a conquering army and that European women are simply war booty, it all makes perfect sense and is in full accordance with Islamic law."
                              fjordman.blogspot.com/2005/12...den.html

                              So, who wants to be the first to marry a Muslim man that abides by Islamic law?

                              www.thereligionofpeace.com/

                              You should know that the fact that Muhammad was a pedophile is NOT contested. Just do a google "Muhammad pedophile". EVIDENCE THAT AISHA WAS 9 WHEN HER MARRIAGE TO MUHAMMAD WAS CONSUMMATED - FROM THE HADITH OF SAHIH BUKHARI - answering-islam.org/Silas/ch...rides.htm

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                                Islam is not monolithic. Different people interpret it in different ways. And in an obviously failed effort to avoid distortion, it is understood that no translation of the Quran can be considered authentic (a stipulation unique, as far as I know, to Islam).

                                Does anyone here actually read Arabic? Has anyone here actually consulted with an Islamic authority to review the passages in question? Or are you all who are so anxious to bash Islam based on possibly mistranslated passages possibly taken out of context and clearly published as an attack that you'll settle for bigotry?
                                • Yeah, David -- the views here are incredibly one-sided on this issue. It's the same kind of blind rhetoric that allowed people to accept the invasion of Iraq: demonize the "enemy," accuse them of behavior that's less than human, which justifies whatever we want in the name of saving ourselves from the perceived threat (real or not).

                                  I hate organized religion in general, being an atheist, but I also recognize that not every religious person is violently insane. And assuming that they are only drives wedges between moderates on all sides who want solutions. Fear leads to hate leads to more violence.

                                  Blaming the Koran for Islamic violence is like blaming the unabridged dictionary for promoting foul language -- individual idiots are responsible for their reprehensible actions, not books, and not the ideas in books. We can read murder mysteries, or biographies of serial killers, and not feel the urge to commit crimes or kill people. It all comes down to choice, though it's important to recognize that extreme conditions -- like poverty or being surrounded by real violence on a daily basis -- can create circumstances whereby people are more likely to choose the wrong path. But it's still their choice to make.

                                  And most people, even under duress or terrible conditions, still choose NOT to become violent. Violence is inevitably perpetrated by a driven, fanatical minority. The extreme examples you present, whether in the Koran or not, are not typically practiced by the majority of Muslims, just like the majority of Mormons don't practice polygamy.

                                  Have some nuance in your views, people, and you might learn something from the groups you're bashing here.
                                  • People want to feel secure that this very complex problem has a very simple solution
                                    • David & Allen, good job of finding fault with the messenger once again.

                                      "Unless we separate fundamentalist thought from religion, we'll never be any closer to understanding what causes the hatred and violence perpetrated by people under the guise of religion. Fundamentalism is the real enemy, not a specific religion, as fundamentalism and its resulting fanaticism crosses ALL religious lines."

                                      - Right, unless & until we're openly ALLOWED to discuss & expose specific points in detail, that will never happen. So thanks for your consistant attempts to stifle discussion, Allen.

                                      Allen "It's the same kind of blind rhetoric that allowed people to accept the invasion of Iraq"

                                      - Okay, that's absurd & you've just lost any credibility.

                                      "I hate organized religion in general, being an atheist, but I also recognize that not every religious person is violently insane"

                                      - Where do I say "every religious person is violently insane? Nice try Allen - I wonder if you're rooting for fundamentalist sometimes the way you defend it & try to stifle discussion.

                                      "Blaming the Koran for Islamic violence is like blaming the unabridged dictionary for promoting foul language"

                                      - Yet another riduculous analagy.

                                      "individual idiots are responsible for their reprehensible actions, not books, and not the ideas in books."

                                      - You seem to have no Idea what you're talking about. No religious holy books have no role in the millions of murders it its gods name.

                                      Which is more violent, the Bible or the Quran?

                                      "A good argument could be made that either book is the most violent and cruel book ever written. The award would go to one or the other, for neither has any close competitors. It is frightening to think that more than half of the world's population believes in one or the other."
                                      dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com/2...ml

                                      Allen, you have no business in this thread you are on the side of fundamentalism & that is clear.

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                                      • "- You seem to have no Idea what you're talking about. No religious holy books have no role in the millions of murders it its gods name."

                                        Honestly Chopper, these individuals would find any excuse to do what they are doing, the specific holy book that they quote, or use, is nothing more then the medium for their thoughts. What is happening in these areas, is born from desperation of various sorts, and nothing more.
                                        • Sorry, I wanted to clarify, that religion does play a role in what is going on in the modern world, but to break it down and state that religion is the only element involved in the equation, that is causing a problems, and is basically as much nonsense as is the idea that the West is the problem. Replacing one ideology of hate with another is stupidity at its finest
                                          • Thanks Dustin, Allens points above are well taken, however, here in this thread, there are merely another straw man argument. I'm focusing on Islam, Allen wants to go off on a tangent. Which is a slight of hand way of detracting from the topic & issues at hand. Which, happens to be exactly what I've experienced from Muslims on this issue.

                                            God's curse be upon the infidels! Evil is that for which they have bartered away their souls. To deny God's own revelation, grudging that He should reveal His bounty to whom He chooses from among His servants! They have incurred God's most inexorable wrath. An ignominious punishment awaits the unbelievers. Q 2:92-6

                                            Slay them wherever you find them. Drive them out of the places from which they drove you. Idolatry is worse than carnage. Q 2:190-3

                                            When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. Q 9:5

                                            Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home: an evil fate. Q 9:73

                                            Men have authority over women because God has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. Q 4:34
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                                              <at least the Japanese dont have to pay church tax as part of their governmental tax system,- like we do here in Switzerland!! >

                                              I never knew that before. That is so interesting. I would like to see Churches in the USA pay property taxes they do own a lot of land. There is an old joke in Japan that there are so many registered temple in Japan because it exempts them from paying taxes and it is hard to argue that they are not a real temple.
                                      • :: Right, unless & until we're openly ALLOWED to discuss & expose specific points in detail, that will never happen. So thanks for your consistant attempts to stifle discussion, Allen.

                                        We are openly discussing it, right here and now.

                                        :: Allen, you have no business in this thread

                                        Ah, sweet irony -- thanks for making your hypocrisy so incredibly clear. Who's stifling whom now?

                                        And I never mentioned your name in my response, so good job at taking personal offense. You just can't stand to be disagreed with, Chopper. You treat everybody who doesn't immediately jump on your bandwagon like an idiot. Such behavior certainly doesn't make you worth listening to.
                                        • Once again Allen, just another attack on the messenger. You side with the fundamentalists. You'd prefer we all just keep our heads in the sand & never expose religion for what it really is, in order to have a more sustainable plaanet to live on. Good job. You embarrass all atheists & freethinkers when you do that.
                                          • I'm not siding with fundamentalists, I'm siding with reason, moderation, and humanism -- three concepts you'd rather do without.
                                            • I would have to side with Allen here Chopper, the line of reasoning that your following is what really turned me off to labeling myself an Atheist along time ago. Instead of battling Dogma, and promoting such things as rational thought, your reasoning has allowed you to become bedfellow of the very people you despise.
                                              • I would adamantly disagree. What nonsense. We won't have any 'reason, moderation, and humanism' until we can address the issues surrounding the fundamentalist Ideaology & dogma - something you 2 would tend to omit. Keeping your heads in the sand is your prefered method. But thanks again for attacking the messengers.

                                                Other folks however, see that we have a very serious issue here not just with Islam, which is what this thread is about, but with Christianity & many other Ideaologies & dogmas as well. I am presenting facts about an abusive situation, blaming me or atheism is just another straw man of many that distracts from the real issues at hand in our day. Folks that continue to keep their heads in the sand allow the absusive situation to continue on & on uncontested. Which is how we got into the situation we have today.

                                                "Infidel" by Ayaan Hirsi Ali -

                                                Muslim girlhood forged a fighter against oppression

                                                "..."Ma" tied Hirsi Ali's hands to her ankles with rope, put her on the floor on her belly, then whipped her mercilessly with a stick or wire.

                                                When Hirsi Ali turned 5, a man came at the behest of her grandmother - though against the wishes of her more enlightened, absent father - and genitally mutilated her. He cut her clitoris and labia ("The entire procedure was torture"), then sewed up the area so the scar tissue formed a kind of "chastity belt."

                                                Other not-so-sweet memories of childhood? Hirsi Ali's math teacher in Kenya beat her with a black plastic pipe. Her Kenyan Koran teacher, infuriated by signs of defiance, cracked her head against a wall, fracturing her skull and bursting a blood vessel in her eye. She had to undergo an operation on her skull."

                                                "I found Hirsi Ali's approach to the emancipation of Islamic women attractive and identified with her for different reasons. Firstly because 18 years ago I left my homeland Iran as a refugee from an Islamic regime, whose suppression in the name of Islam I had experienced both because of my political background (as a leftist) and because of my gender. Secondly, I was also greatly concerned with the emancipation of women, particularly of women who share my own background: women from Islamic countries."

                                                ayaanhirsiali.web-log.nl/ayaan...x.html
                                                • "blaming me or atheism is just another straw man of many that distracts from the real issues at hand in our day. "

                                                  No ones blaming you, what I am blaming the human tendency to confuse a philosophical movement for reality.
                                                  • Did you read the post above? That *IS* reality if you don't think so then you're are divorced from reality.

                                                    “Man enjoys the great advantage of having a god endorse the code he writes; and since man exercises a sovereign authority over women it is especially fortunate that this authority has been vested in him by the Supreme Being. For the Jews, Mohammedans and Christians among others, man is master by divine right; the fear of God will therefore repress any impulse towards revolt in the downtrodden female.”
                                                    ~ Simone de Beauvoir - The Second Sex 1949

                                                    "Islam, Christianity and Judaism are patriarchal, monotheistic religions and are bound by one thing - their contempt of women!"
                                                    www.atheistfoundation.org.au/isl....htm
                                                • "Allen, you have no business in this thread you are on the side of fundamentalism & that is clear."
                                                  - Chopper, March 27, 2007


                                                  "Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists."

                                                  - George W. Bush, Sept. 20, 2001
                                                  • LOL
                                                    • What's really both funny & also really SAD is that you really don't have anything to contribute beyond your typical heckle. Your goal is to stifle exposures of the roots of fundamentalism in our world today. As per usual, you've omitted quotes from a variety of sources & turned it around with your slight of hand tactic to blame it all on me. News for ya, a great many folks aren't buying your particular load of crap. Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris etc, etc.
                                                      • This thread is reminding me of CL windage. I'm very dissapointed the concept of dialogue is missing from what should be a substanative discussion. I'd love to have brought in economics of civilizations, how they affect loyalty to sects and their treatment of women and workers....but this coffeehouse is throwin' hard tack...and I'm duckin' out. Sigh.
                                                        • " I'm very dissapointed the concept of dialogue is missing from what should be a substanative discussion"

                                                          - Agreed Philip, Allen tends to follow me around anytime I try to discuss & expose religion to help make the world a safer place for us all. It doesn't seem to bother him at all when he makes his best attempt to stifle discussion. It's as if he has no conscience.
                                                        • Chopper I'm a huge fan of Dawkins, but I still blame him for popularizing Atheism, and essential turning a philosophical Idea, that promoted Skeptical Inquiry and Free Thinking, into something, that young adolescents use to rebel against an overly religious sociaty
                                                          • Would it make you guys that are so afraid to discuss the reality of religion any happier if we only discussed Christianity instead of exposing Islam?

                                                            What have famous people said about Christianity?

                                                            "Religion can never reform mankind, because religion is slavery. It is far better to be free, to leave the forts and barricades of fear, to stand erect and face the future with a smile. It is far better to give yourself sometimes to negligence, to drift with wave and tide, with the blind force of the world, to think and dream, to forget the chains and limitations of the breathing life, to forget purpose and object, to lounge in the picture-gallery of the brain, to feel once more the clasps and kisses of the past, to bring life’s morning back, to see again the forms and faces of the dead, to paint fair pictures for the coming years, to forget all Gods, their promises and threats, to feel within your veins life’s joyous stream and hear the martial music, the rhythmic beating of your fearless heart. And then to rouse yourself to do all useful things, to reach with thought and deed the ideal in your brain, to give your fancies wing, that they, like chemist bees, may find art’s nectar in the weeds of common things, to look with trained and steady eyes for facts, to find the subtle threads that join the distant with the now, to increase knowledge, to take burdens from the weak, to develop the brain, to defend the right, to make a palace for the soul. This is real religion. This is real worship."
                                                            ~ Robert Ingersoll

                                                            "During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity, in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution."
                                                            ~ James Madison Memorial and Remonstrance, 1785

                                                            The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb in a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter.
                                                            ~ Thomas Jefferson, in a letter to John Adams

                                                            "The Christian religion and Masonry have one and the same common origin: Both are derived from the worship of the Sun. The difference between their origin is, that the Christian religion is a parody on the worship of the Sun, in which they put a man whom they call Christ, in the place of the Sun, and pay him the same adoration which was originally paid to the Sun."
                                                            ~ Thomas Paine

                                                            "Jesus is a mythical figure in the tradition of pagan mythology and almost nothing in all of ancient literature would lead one to believe otherwise. Anyone wanting to believe Jesus lived and walked as a real live human being must do so despite the evidence, not because of it."
                                                            ~ C. Dennis McKinsey
                                                            • Sharia Law in Germany -- Well On The Way!

                                                              An excellent 8-part article in Der Spiegel. Seems at least some
                                                              Germans are waking up to the dangers of multi-cultural tolerance,
                                                              towards those who are fully intolerant, and plan to eventually "take
                                                              over". Americans, Brits, Europeans, Canadians... especially women!
                                                              Read and learn. This is happening in your territory as well. J.D.

                                                              *Part 1: Paving the Way for a Muslim Parallel Society
                                                              www.spiegel.de/internatio...629,00.html
                                                              A recent ruling in Germany by a judge who cited the Koran underscores
                                                              the dilemma the country faces in reconciling Western values with a
                                                              growing immigrant population. A disturbing number of rulings are
                                                              helping to create a parallel Muslim world in Germany that is
                                                              welcoming to Islamic fundamentalists. ...

                                                              *Part 2: Does Germany already Have Sharia Law?
                                                              www.spiegel.de/internatio...9-2,00.html
                                                              Ursula Spuler-Stegemann, an Islam expert from the central German
                                                              university town of Marburg, has a similar take on the matter. "Do we
                                                              already have Sharia here?" she asks, adding that the Frankfurt case
                                                              shows that "things are getting out of hand here." ...

                                                              *Part 3: Violating the Principles of Equal Treatment
                                                              www.spiegel.de/internatio...9-3,00.html
                                                              For far too long, Germany's muslim immigrants were not asked to put
                                                              much effort into integrating. For decades, German judges essentially
                                                              paved the way for Islamic fundamentalists to form a parallel society.
                                                              They raised little opposition to the strategy employed by Islamic
                                                              groups to demand their supposed religious freedom in court until they
                                                              got it. But the judges must have known, argues Johannes Kandel, that
                                                              "giving preferential treatment to groups violates the principle of
                                                              equal treatment in a secular legal system. ...

                                                              *Part 4: Giving the Muezzin Free Reign
                                                              www.spiegel.de/internatio...9-4,00.html
                                                              Muslims can also often count on the support of German courts when it
                                                              comes to building mosques. As far back as 1992, the Federal
                                                              Administrative Court ruled that neighbors must "fundamentally accept"
                                                              being woken before sunup. ...

                                                              *Part 5: The Camel Fatwa and other Letters from Absurdistan
                                                              www.spiegel.de/internatio...9-5,00.html
                                                              This was an attitude that still prevailed in the minds of German
                                                              judges one year after the Sept. 11, 2001 terror attacks. At the time,
                                                              the higher administrative court in the state of North
                                                              Rhine-Westphalia ruled that a female Muslim student in the 10th grade
                                                              should be permitted not to take part in a school trip. The family had
                                                              argued that Islam prohibits allowing girls to go on such trips
                                                              without being accompanied by a male family member. The family also
                                                              insisted that the girl was constantly worried about losing her
                                                              headscarf. The judges found that such fears were "comparable with the
                                                              situation of a partially mentally impaired person who, because of her
                                                              disability, can only travel with a companion." This assessment was
                                                              devastating because it accepted the rules of a camel drivers' society
                                                              in the modern age -- literally, because a few years earlier, an
                                                              Islamic legal opinion dubbed the "camel fatwa" had been added to the
                                                              professional literature. ...

                                                              *Part 6: "Integration Has Failed Here"
                                                              www.spiegel.de/internatio...9-6,00.html
                                                              Experiences in urban German schools show just how much integration
                                                              has suffered as a result of the decisions of timorous judges in past
                                                              years. At the Carlo Mierendorff School in Preungesheim, a Frankfurt
                                                              neighborhood, about one-third of students in the upper grades are
                                                              permitted to not attend class trips for religious reasons, says
                                                              Alexander Zabler, the school's principal. To prevent their daughters
                                                              from traveling with schoolmates, many Muslim parents have either
                                                              called the girls in sick or simply ordered them not to show up.
                                                              Zabler tried many approaches, including talking to the parents,
                                                              visiting them at home, offering special meals for Muslims during
                                                              travel -- but all to no avail. Finally he turned to the government
                                                              and asked the local school board for help -- also to no avail. He has
                                                              since resigned. ...

                                                              *Part 7: Forced Marriages and Servility
                                                              www.spiegel.de/internatio...9-7,00.html
                                                              Of course, in many families there is no escaping the closeness
                                                              justified by Muslim traditions and rules. Women are brought up to
                                                              serve and obey. Boys are alternately spoiled and beaten, as custom
                                                              requires. According to a study conducted by the Lower Saxony
                                                              Criminology Research Institute, physical abuse of boys is more than
                                                              twice as common in Turkish families than German families. And "girls
                                                              from conservative families say that their fathers and brothers have
                                                              the right to hit them," reports Judith Gerling-Tamer, an educator at
                                                              the Elisi Evi Support Center for women and girls in Berlin's heavily
                                                              Muslim Kreuzberg district. ...

                                                              *Part 8: Europe at a Crossroads
                                                              www.spiegel.de/internatio...9-8,00.html
                                                              Berlin attorney Seyran Ates says: "We are at a crossroads, everywhere
                                                              in Europe. Do we allow structures that lead straight into a parallel
                                                              society, or do we demand assimilation into the democratic
                                                              constitutional state?" ...
                                                              • The War Within

                                                                Young Muslims torn between innocence and extremism. Christiane Amanpour explores the battle over Islamic Ideals in England and what drives Muslims at the crossroads to turn to terrorism. CNN SIU, "The War Within," Saturday and Sunday, 8 p.m. ET

                                                                www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs...in/index.html
                                                                  • Radicals vs. moderates: British Muslims at crossroads

                                                                    DUBLIN, Ireland (CNN) -- At a recent debate over the battle for Islamic ideals in England, a British-born Muslim stood before the crowd and said Prophet Mohammed's message to nonbelievers is: "I come to slaughter all of you."

                                                                    "We are the Muslims," said Omar Brooks, an extremist also known as Abu Izzadeen. "We drink the blood of the enemy, and we can face them anywhere. That is Islam and that is jihad."

                                                                    Anjem Choudary, the public face of Islamist extremism in Britain, added that Muslims have no choice but to take the fight to the West.

                                                                    "What are Muslims supposed to do when they are being killed in the streets in Afghanistan and Baghdad and Palestine? Do they not have the same rights to defend themselves? In war, people die. People don't make love; they kill each other," he said. (Audio slide show: Preying on Britain's young Muslims)

                                                                    But in the same debate, held on the prestigious grounds of Dublin's Trinity College in October, many people in the crowd objected.

                                                                    "These people, ladies and gentleman, have a good look at them. They actually believe if you kill women and children, you will go to heaven," said one young Muslim who waved his finger at the radicals.

                                                                    "This is not ideology. It's a mental illness." (Watch 'No chance in hell' Video)
                                                                    'Foreign policy has a lot to do with it'

                                                                    This war of words is part of a larger debate going on in Britain -- the war within the Muslim community for the hearts and minds of young people. The battle of ideas came to the fore again this week when the trial began for six men who are accused of an "extremist Muslim plot" to target London on July 21, 2005.

                                                                    The Woolwich Crown Court was told the men plotted to carry out a series of "murderous suicide bombings" on London's public transport system, just 14 days after the carnage of the July 7 London bombings, which killed 52 commuters and four bombers.

                                                                    While Islamic extremists are believed to be a tiny minority of Britain's 1.6 million Muslims, they have no problem having their criticism heard. They have disdain for democracy -- and, most of all, the Bush administration's war on terror policies.

                                                                    A poll taken in June 2006 for the Times of London newspaper suggested that 13 percent of British Muslims believe the July 7 London bombers were martyrs.

                                                                    "Foreign policy has a lot to do with it," said Hanif Qadir, a youth worker and a moderate voice for Islam in Walthamstow, one of London's biggest Muslim neighborhoods. "But it's the minority radical groups that use that to get to our young people."

                                                                    In August, British police descended on Walthamstow, saying they had foiled a conspiracy to blow up a dozen U.S.-bound airliners with liquid explosives. That set off the biggest security alert since the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. Police arrested 24 people in connection with the alleged terror plot, although one man was released after it was determined he was an innocent bystander.

                                                                    Britain's Scotland Yard and MI5 have also said they are aware of at least 30 terrorist cells and potential plots inside Britain.
                                                                    'Blowing people up is quite cool'

                                                                    Young Muslims are easy prey, Qadir told CNN, because they believe the British government crackdown has scapegoated them because of their religious beliefs. The youth also can empathize with those who castigate the Bush administration.

                                                                    There are some who believe "blowing people up is quite cool," Qadir said.

                                                                    Qadir asked them why that was justified.

                                                                    "The answers that I got back is: When a bomb goes off in Baghdad or in Afghanistan and innocent women and children are killed over there, who cares for them? So if a bomb goes off in America or in London, what's wrong with that?" he said.

                                                                    Qadir is trying to get mosque leaders, many still practicing the tribal traditions of Pakistan, to communicate with the younger generation. But he says it is an uphill battle when radicals like Choudary dominate the debate, getting their faces -- and their message -- out in the public.

                                                                    "Our scholars ... are not coming out of their holes -- their mosques and their holes -- to engage with these people. They're frightened of that," Qadir said.

                                                                    The message of extremism can also thrive among youth who see no way out of ethnic ghettos.

                                                                    "They're into all kinds of vices -- street crime, gun crime, drugs, car theft, credit card fraud. But then now you've got another threat," Qadir said.

                                                                    "The new threat is radicalism. It's a cause. Every young man wants a cause."
                                                                    Activist calls for Islamic law

                                                                    Choudary, whose group Al-Mahajiroun disbanded before the British government could outlaw it under its anti-terror laws, spoke to CNN and made clear he wants to see Islamic law for Britain.

                                                                    "All of the world belongs to Allah, and we will live according to the Sharia wherever we are," said Choudary, a lawyer. "This is a fundamental belief of the Muslims." (Watch a call for Islamic law Video)

                                                                    Asked if he believes in democracy, he said, "No, I don't at all."

                                                                    "One day, the Sharia will be implemented in Britain. It's a matter of time."

                                                                    Choudary cited the videotaped "will" of one of the London subway bombers, Mohammed Sidique Khan, who said, "Until you stop the bombing, gassing, imprisonment and torture of my people, we will not stop this fight."

                                                                    Choudary said he sides strongly with that statement -- "we have everything we need in those wills" -- and he cited passages from the Muslim holy book, the Quran, that he says justify jihad.

                                                                    "I happen to be in an ideological and political war," Choudary said. "My brothers in al Qaeda and other Mujahedeen are involved in a military campaign."

                                                                    While Choudary and other radicals continue to try to spread their beliefs, others say there is no justification for jihad in England. Imam Usama Hasan memorized the Quran by the time he was 11 and at 19, he briefly fought in Afghanistan against the Soviets.

                                                                    "If you have the wrong intention, you can justify your criminal actions from any text -- whether it's the Quran or Bible or Shakespeare," Hasan said.

                                                                    He said it makes him "furious" when radicals quote the Quran out of context to justify killing of innocents. It's a "very tiny" minority with such beliefs, he said, but "it only takes a handful, of course, to create devastation."

                                                                    "Many people are terrified of Muslims. They are terrified of a brother walking down the road with his eastern dress and his hat and his beard, because they have seen these images associated with suicide bombers," he said.

                                                                    "It is up to us to dispel that fear -- to smile at people to tell them that ... the message of Islam is not about bits of cloth. It is not about the beard or head scarf or the face veil or violence. It is about peace."
                                                                    www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/e...ew/index.html
                                                                    • Islamic pro-terrorism hate film gets PG rating

                                                                      * Death Series movies urge children to martyr themselves
                                                                      * Censor board awarded series PG rating
                                                                      * Film vilifies Jewish as 'army of pigs'

                                                                      A PRO-TERROR hate film that urges children to martyr themselves in Islam's war on the West and calls Jews "pigs" has been rated PG by Australia's censors.

                                                                      Sheik Feiz Mohammed's DVD box set, which also calls for the murder of non-believers, was initially seized by Federal anti-terror police.

                                                                      But the Office of Film and Literature Classification has ruled that The Death Series is suitable to be bought and watched by children.

                                                                      The shock decision has seen the nation's peak censorship body slammed as weak and out of touch by family groups and the Jewish community.

                                                                      It has also made a mockery of the Attorney-General's plans to bring in tough new laws that ban material which "advocates" terrorism.

                                                                      The PG decision comes as Australian-born Sheik Feiz, who is in exile in Lebanon, is still preaching to Australians by phone.

                                                                      The films urge parents to make their children holy warriors and martyrs, and praises jihad as the pinnacle of Islam.

                                                                      The radical sheik makes snorting noises on the films as he vilifies Jews as the "army of pigs".

                                                                      He blames a lack of courage for martyrdom on the battlefield for the "humiliation" of Muslims in Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine and Guantanamo.

                                                                      The censors' finding means children of any age can watch the films - but it is advised under-15s have a parent present.

                                                                      The OFLC finding said the sheik's calls to "jihad" and "martyrdom" were ambiguous.

                                                                      And it found that comments vilifying Jews as an "army of pigs" and saying "behind me is a Jew, come kill him" were mitigated by the context.

                                                                      The Australian/Israel and Jewish Affairs Council said the PG rating proved the current censorship guidelines had dangerous shortcomings.

                                                                      "In the Feiz Mohammed case, as well as others, there seems to be inadequate consideration to the dangers posed by the non-fiction advocacy of violence and bigotry, as opposed to its graphic depiction," AIJAC head Dr Colin Rubenstein said.

                                                                      He said he hoped that a review of the laws would deal with the serious problem of incitement.

                                                                      The Australian Family Association said the Sheik Feiz decision was just the latest ruling by a "hardened" OFLC detached from community values.
                                                                      www.news.com.au/story/0,23...421,00.html
                                                                      • * It would be nice to think that talking sense in their own language
                                                                        could actually have a positive impact. Obviously, there would be no
                                                                        need for such a plea if Islam were a "peaceful" religion in the first
                                                                        place.

                                                                        MY ADVICE TO MUSLIMS:

                                                                        It Is Not Enough To Be Good; One Must Also Show The
                                                                        Right Path To Others Who Might Otherwise Do Evil.

                                                                        Dear Muslims!

                                                                        You know that to eliminate all kinds of vices from
                                                                        the world and to promote good is the responsibility
                                                                        of every Muslim. Allah, the Lord of the universe,
                                                                        says: "You are the best Ummah who have been created
                                                                        to show the right path to the people. You command for
                                                                        doing good and forbid from doing evil, and you have
                                                                        faith in Allah"

                                                                        The Holy Prophet (SAW) has also said that everyone
                                                                        amongst you is a caretaker and is responsible for his
                                                                        subordinates on the Day of Judgement. Rulers will be
                                                                        answerable for the citizens of their state, every
                                                                        family head will be accountable for the members of
                                                                        his family and will be asked as to what he did for
                                                                        their reformation, education and better life. He will
                                                                        be asked as to whether he forbid them from adopting
                                                                        the bad ways, and helped them in leading a pious life
                                                                        or not. The Holy Quran has called this task as
                                                                        "Enjoining (People) To Do Good and Forbidding (Them)
                                                                        From Doing Evil."

                                                                        Respected Muslims! The world history reveals that
                                                                        until Muslims performed the task of commanding the
                                                                        people to do good and barring them from doing evil,
                                                                        the pious people remained dominant in those societies
                                                                        and there was peace and tranquility and satanic
                                                                        forces were subdued. But, when this collective
                                                                        responsibility was designated only to clerics, and
                                                                        the common Muslims ignored this task, in spite of the
                                                                        efforts of the clerics, waywardness spread quickly.
                                                                        A wave of offenses, terrorism, tyranny, evils, sins,
                                                                        ignorance and anarchy engulfed almost every segment
                                                                        of life. Disorder, commotion and chaos were on the
                                                                        rise in the world society, wrecking the peace of all
                                                                        mankind.

                                                                        The Holy Prophet (SAW) has warned of this danger in
                                                                        these words:

                                                                        "I swear to the Lord Who is the Master of my soul
                                                                        (it is your duty that) you must enjoin (the people)
                                                                        to do good and forbid (them) from doing evil,
                                                                        otherwise, the day is not far when Allah Almighty
                                                                        will unleash His wrath on you, and then you will
                                                                        pray (for help) to Allah, but your prayers will not
                                                                        be answered." (Trimdi)

                                                                        The world is facing disaster upon disaster every day
                                                                        and people are expecting a major catastrophe. The
                                                                        deeds that have been forbidden by God are being
                                                                        committed openly. The evils are increasing, while the
                                                                        virtues are fading out gradually. Tyranny, oppression
                                                                        and carnage are going on, liars and cheats are
                                                                        overcoming. Terrorism, bribery, corruption, evil,
                                                                        nudity, vulgarity and wickedness have assaulted the
                                                                        world. It seems we have reached inferno before the
                                                                        Last Day. History tells us that such a situation
                                                                        arises when people are being cursed by God.

                                                                        It is feared that members of the previous generations
                                                                        will be accountable for their individual deeds on the
                                                                        Day of Judgment, but present generation will be
                                                                        thrown as a whole into hell after a collective
                                                                        prosecution, because the nobles of this generation
                                                                        remained as silent spectators instead of restraining
                                                                        the wrongdoers from committing, cruelty, sins and
                                                                        misdeeds.

                                                                        The Divine punishment to an ancient civilization
                                                                        seconds this fear. There were three groups during
                                                                        that period. One was of knaves, the second was of the
                                                                        people who did good deeds but did not halt the
                                                                        disobedients from transgression. The third group was
                                                                        of the people who followed the Divine doctrines as
                                                                        well as restrained others from disobeying them. When
                                                                        God cursed the nation, the people exempted from this
                                                                        torment were those who had been observing the limits
                                                                        fixed by their Master and were stopping others from
                                                                        wrongdoing as well.

                                                                        There is another but similar happening. The residents
                                                                        of a town had been engulfed by an ocean of sins.
                                                                        However, there was a noble man who was always busy in
                                                                        worshipping God, but he did not bother about
                                                                        persuading others to give up their bad ways. When God
                                                                        ordered the angels to destroy the town, He said:
                                                                        " Overturn the town on the person who was anxious to
                                                                        save himself from the Divine Punishment, but was not
                                                                        endeavoring to save others from it".

                                                                        I request the virtuous people of the world that they
                                                                        should not only depend upon their prayers to save
                                                                        themselves from the Divine Punishment; rather they
                                                                        should lead the Evil Doers and followers of Satan who
                                                                        have gone astray, to the right path. They should
                                                                        undertake this task against Evil Doers with full
                                                                        determination. Only then will their virtues and
                                                                        prayers save them from the Divine Punishment.

                                                                        S.A.Rehman
                                                                        Peace Activist
                                                                        PAKISTAN
                                                                          • "Suicide Killers" - Islam is "Beautiful?"

                                                                            On last night's "Daily Show," John Stewart hosted a French filmmaker named Pierre Rehov, whose recent creation "Suicide Killers" presents the views of would-be Muslim "bombers for God." Rehov made a point to state repeatedly that because he is French, he is sympathetic with the suicide killers.

                                                                            * Is the suppression and oppression - the torture - of women "beautiful?"
                                                                            * Is the constant call for the deaths of infidels something "beautiful?"
                                                                            * Is the repression of sex to the point of driving young men to want to kill themselves and others somehow "beautiful?"

                                                                            For the rest of the blog - tbknews.blogspot.com/

                                                                            The rest of us MUST speak out very loudly while we still can against the Insanity of Islam. Or we can wait until it's too late like, AFTER Sharia Law has been implemented in Europe, Canada etc. WAKE-UP Folks!
                                                                            • "'God has set a seal upon their hearts and ears; their sight is dimmed and grievous punishment awaits them.' (Q 2:2-6)"

                                                                              "What kind of God blindfolds his own creations so they don't see the error of their ways or the behavior I would think he would prefer them to follow? This makes no sense!!! Is it any wonder people who follow these religions(Islam & Christianity) sometimes exhibit schizophrenic type behavior?"

                                                                              From Anonymous on tbknews.blogspot.com.
                                                                              • I love how this article explains the tactics used by Muslims when Islam is exposed for what it really is...

                                                                                "Most of us are by now familiar with his marriage to nine-year-old Aisha. He first spotted her, and was "betrothed" to her, when she was six. And yet if one brings this up with Muslims, many of them attempt to deny her age. They will claim such things as "oh, she was actually nineteen" or "oh, no one knows her exact age" or "the texts are unclear." You can find all about this from the defectors from Islam -- in such books as Ibn Warraq's Why I Am Not a Muslim and at Ali Sina's site www.faithfreedom.org.

                                                                                They attempt to distract attention -- the Tu-Quoque part of the Taqiyya-and-Tu-Quoque, which long ago was alliteratively offered as a summary of Muslim propaganda techniques. Or they attempt to express amazement and surprise, and feign uncertainty ("I'll have to check on that"). If, however, you are sure of yourself and you hold your ground, and even dare to quote from the texts (quoting, say, the part about the little girl playing with her toys), if you adduce the evidence, then that embarrassed attempt at evasion becomes, suddenly, the fury it always was. Your Muslim interlocutor will reveal, under the smiles and wiles, quite soon and quite often, a hysterical rage.

                                                                                And then you will be told, as well, that you are bringing this up for no good reason, you are merely interested in attacking Islam. And then there is the one final attempt to undo you: you are told that the parts about little Aisha are, in fact, being "taken out of context." And in this case the context is not words, but time: seventh-century Arabia. (Oh, there is plenty of "taking out of context," but it is all by apologists for Islam..."

                                                                                www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwa....php#more
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            • You dont even need religion. A general dislike for critical thinking is all that is necessary to wreak the same sort of havoc in the world that major religions have done.

              Flip on a talk radio show, read a 'talking points memo'-- its the exact same type of garbage & malicious hijacking, just that its primarily secular thought instead of religious. And for what? Personal and corporate gain.

              GWB didnt try to convince the world that Iraq needed to be raped because they are unbelieving heathens-- him and his henchmen perverted secular thought to achieve their aims.
              • "I'd argue that it's not religion that's dangerous, but rather people's interpretation and implementation of it's tenets."

                - I've heard this many times before - it's not as much the interpretation & implementation as it is the Ideology of the religion itself. Which *IS* dangerous. As the quotes right out of the Koran in the posts above expose that a case can easily be made. The most fervent Muslim clerics would disagree that it is not Islam.

                Take it up with the chief Muslim cleric in Egypt

                "According to traditional Islamic law, and confirmed by leading scholars today, it is perfectly allowed for a Muslim man to have forced sex with the infidel concubines he just captured by massacring their relatives in front of their eyes. Muhammad himself did this several times."

                globalpolitician.com/articledes.asp

                ;
                • Islam is innocent - it is "peaceful" & "beautiful". "It's not the religion, it's the interpretation & implementation by a few extremists"

                  Right, whatever...

                  This video is an absolute MUST SEE -. It includes an intro with Jerry Falwell & info on Islam/Muslims...just when I thought it couldn't get worse, a nightmare unfolds before my eyes...

                  From Bill Moyers Journal
                  May 18, 2007

                  Bruce Bawer Ten years ago in his book STEALING JESUS, Bruce Bawer, a gay, Christian man of faith, warned that Christian Conservatives had hijacked Jesus' message of love and replaced it with a narrow minded legalism. He left America for Europe to escape fundamentalist bigotry, but what he found instead may surprise you."

                  www.pbs.org/moyers/journ...7/watch3.html

                  ---------------------------------

                  'Behead Those Who Insult Islam'

                  "The images on this site are VERY disturbing, especially those of the children attacked, raped and killed by Chechen Muslims."
                  www.faithfreedom.org/Gallery/30.htm

                  * Be sure to check out the 'gallery' for photos

                  -----

                  40% of Muslims in Britain want Sharia Law.

                  "While Europe Slept: How Radical Islam is Destroying the West from Within"
                  by Bruce Bawer

                  From Publishers Weekly
                  Having recently published an indictment of Christian fundamentalist intolerance in the U.S. (Stealing Jesus), New York native Bawer relocated to Europe with his Norwegian partner in 1998 and found an even more dangerous strain of religious and cultural bigotry ensnaring Western Europe. A swarming menace called radical Islam, he writes, rings Europe's cities in smoldering Muslim ghettos, provoking everything from so-called honor killings and political assassinations to the Madrid subway bombings and the massacre of school children in Beslan. Worse, the Taliban-like theocracy Bawer sees looming inside backward immigrant populations resistant to integration flourishes under the protective wing of Western Europe's America-bashing, multicultural, liberal establishment. The latter correspond to the appeasers of Nazi Germany, in Bawer's view, since he believes that radical Islamism is every bit the threat to Western civilization that Nazism was. He scoffs at talk of "understanding" or "dialogue," indeed, at any but the most muscular response hitching Europe ever tighter to the U.S. war on terror. His clash-of-civilizations outlook means real issues often get washed away by sweeping statements designed to tar Europe's Muslims with one irredeemably hostile, welfare-sponging brush, while trading in well-worn stereotypes about virtuous American "realists" and corrupt European "idealists."
                  www.amazon.com/While-Euro.../0385514727

                  www.brucebawer.com

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                  "Islam: What the West Needs to Know: An examination of Islam, Violence, and the Fate of the Non-Muslim World"

                  DVD ~ Robert Spencer
                  www.jihadwatch.org

                  -----

                  Other books:

                  "Religion of Peace?: Islam's War Against the World"
                  by Gregory M. Davis

                  "Because They Hate: A Survivor of Islamic Terror Warns America"
                  by Brigitte Gabriel
                  • This is the maximum depth. Additional responses will not be threaded.
                    I am honestly worried about a few things I've read & a few videos I've seen lately concerning Islam. Just when I thought it couldn't get worse, a nightmare unfolds before my eyes...

                    "The Islamic Invasion: Confronting the World's Fastest Growing Religion"
                    by Robert A. Morey

                    "Why Islam World's Fastest-growing Religion"
                    www.islam-watch.org/Others/I...igion.htm

                    "Muslim Mickey Mouse Calls for Muslim World Domination" VIDEO
                    www.youtube.com/watch

                    "Muslim Takeover of Europe and America?" blog & VIDEO

                    "The following video records a Muslim leader - Libya's Qaddafi/Gaddafi - discussing the 100 million Muslims now or soon to be in the European Union, and how Europe will be an Islamic state within "a few decades."

                    Gaddafi also relates the plot to overtake America as well, saying:

                    "Europe is in a predicament, and so is America. They should agree to become Islamic in the course of time or else declare war on the Muslims."
                    tbknews.blogspot.com/2007/05...ml#links

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                    • Enjoy "the Channel 4 investigation into 'British' mosques. Here's your chance to see why the U.K. is fast becoming Islam's terrorist factory of Europe. Many of my Muslim followers still appear puzzled at why so many Infidels think of Islam as a backward, blood-thirsty, intolerant, savage and evil religion intent on dragging the World's population back into the 7th century."

                      2nd video down
                      www.islamismad.com

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                      "ABUSE OF MUSLIM WOMEN" VIDEO
                      www.youtube.com/watch

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                      • This FREAKS me out...

                        Radical Muslim paramilitary compounds flourishing across the United States
                        Islamberg not the only radical Muslim compound flourishing in North America

                        By Judi McLeod
                        Monday, May 21, 2007

                        "Islamberg is just one of what is thought to be a half dozen radical Muslim paramilitary compounds flourishing across the United States, this one nestled in dense forest at the foothills of the Catskill Mountains on the outskirts of Hancock, New York. Canada, home to at least one such compound, is no safe ground. "

                        "Now that the photos of the two unidentified FBI types have been published, we will undoubtedly hear that they were merely working undercover. But some sticklers would consider saying cheese from the dinner table of the enemy is over the top."
                        www.canadafreepress.com/2007/c...107.htm

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                        • Here's a comment in a blog on myspace: blog.myspace.com/index.cfm

                          about the book "While Europe Slept: How Radical Islam is Destroying the West from Within" by Bruce Bawer

                          Skadi_the_Evil_Elf

                          "I just got done reading this book. And I must say, after reading the posts from the Europeans here, it just really confirms Bawer's writings. Europeans really are sleepwalking to their deaths.

                          ...I went into an exotic food store once to buy some pulses and spices, and the Muslim guy at the counter saw my pentacle and told me to leave, and had his son chase me out."

                          "I went to the local "Saudi Cultural center" which was on the base I was stationed at, to learn more about the culture and people of the kingdom of Saudi Arabia. The "culture center" turned out to be a Muslim religous conversion project. I went there with an open mind, and found myself being bombarded with attempts by the staff to convert me to islam, as well as diatribes about the US, Israel, ect, plus excuses on why Muslims women were treated as they were. I left and never returned. And this was on a U.S. military base, with full knowledge and consent of the US government.

                          I observed my share of Saudi culture too. Hatred and oppression of Christians, Jews, Hindus, and others. Public displays of religon or practicing religon other than Islam was punishable by imprisonment. Abuse of females and foreigners.

                          What I learned that Islam is NOT a religon of peace, love, or tolerance. Like its Abrahamic cousins, Islam is a religon of war, bloodshed, insanity, misegyny, domination, and hatred. From its early beginnings, it set out in a wave of conquest and jihad. Islam has not been "hijacked" by extremists, but is manifesting in its purest state: violence and domination.

                          If Europe has its head so far up its Politically Correct ass that it cant see the dangers of Islam to its secularist society, then it really is doomed."
                          • What a bunch of stellar bigoted ingnorant trash from a hack "researcher". Nice try. Go tell it on the mountain. I'm bailing on this sham of a group. Keep your hate to yourself dude. Whole thing is OT anyway.
                            • You're confused Sequioah, the facts and evidence by Muslim leaders and quotes from the Koran demonstrate Islam to be hate filled with a strong desire to destroy infidels i.e. non-believers. Keep YOUR hate to yourself as exposing the facts & evidence is more like 'whistle blowing'. However, if you want to talk about hate speech, maybe you should check into what Muslims say about the Jews.

                              I'll agree with you on one thing, Islam certainly is very Old Testament. Have you looked into sharia law? Which is what Muslims throughout Europe plan to implement throughout western countries. You may want to get educated.
                              • 'All because of a kiss'

                                "A gentle kiss on a South London street captured on a mobile telephone camera sealed Banaz Mahmod’s fate.

                                When the photograph, taken by a member of the Kurdish community, was shown to Miss Mahmod’s uncle, Ari Mahmod, a family meeting was called where it was decided that the 20-year-old woman and her boyfriend, Rahmat Sulemani, must be murdered. "
                                www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...8019.ece

                                * So a kiss is enough for a family to decide that she MUST be KILLED in a so-called "Honor Killing" due to their religion - Islam. However, the actual tracking her down for a year and MURDER itself is just fine.
                                • Insight Magazine: Mapping Shari'a Project Uncovers Jihadists near DC

                                  "Private undercover team exposes nationwide network of radical, anti-U.S. Islamic centers

                                  Hundreds of Islamic centers in the United States have become a hot-bed of extremist activity; they promote violence, terrorism and hatred against America.

                                  “Our initial investigation has concluded there are between 400 to 500 radical Islamic centers in the U.S.,” said David Gaubatz, the director of counterintelligence and counterterrorism for the Society of Americans for National Existence. “In those places, they preach an extreme version of Islam that says America and the West is the enemy. They espouse violence, hatred and the need for terrorism.”

                                  Gaubatz is a former senior U.S. intelligence official, who now works for the Mapping Shari’a in America Project (www.mappingsharia.com), which is supported by SANE, a national non-profit group devoted to investigating the 2,300 Islamic centers in the U.S. for extremist activity.

                                  Gaubatz and his investigators are currently active and will soon form a team of about 12. They pose as people interested in converting to Islam or who are current Muslims. Their goal is to infiltrate mosques and Muslim centers. Recently, he and his team penetrated the Dar Al-Hijrah Islamic Center, located in Falls Church, Virginia, a suburb of Washington, D.C.

                                  Sporting a beard and Muslim dress, Gaubatz said he went on May 18 to the center, pretending to be an American interested in becoming a convert to Islam. He discovered the center espoused terrorism and jihad against America.

                                  “They are teaching what they call Jihad Qital, which means physical jihad,” Gaubatz said. “They’re teaching violence and hatred of the United States.”

                                  Gaubatz said that he met the two primary clerics at Dar Al-Hijrah, Imam Shaker Elsayed and Imam Johari Abdulmalik. Both men have been trained in Saudi Arabia. He says another key individual is Yusef Estes, an informal senior leader at the center and an internationally influential Muslim scholar who was trained in Saudi Arabia.

                                  “They put me through the process of learning their faith and ideology,” Gaubatz said. “They felt close to me and they gave me literature and CDs. They told me to study. The literature is very Jihad Qital.”

                                  He said that the Islamic center has deep ties to Saudi Arabia and espouses Wahhabism, a virulent and puritanical version of Islam.

                                  “Many members of the mosque provided me literature to study. Most of the literature they gave me was from Saudi Arabia,” he said. “Their literature preaches that America and the West are decadent and evil, and that Muslims have a moral duty to engage in violence against the infidels.”

                                  Gaubatz says that Dar Al-Hijrah and other radical Islamic centers in the U.S. are funded by Saudi Arabia, which is the primary sponsor of the Wahhabist brand of Islam.

                                  “The ultimate goal for those at Dar Al-Hijrah is to instill Sharia law in the U.S. and have America adhere to the Islamic faith,” he said. “They want America to be an Islamic state.”

                                  Gaubatz said that the imams at the center encouraged him to read the works of their “friends”-some of whom have been convicted for terrorism-related activities. According to Gaubatz, one of those “friends” he was encouraged to read is Ali Al-Tamimi, a radical Islamist author, who was convicted of inciting terrorism in connection with the Virginia Jihad Network.

                                  Al-Tamimi was born and raised in the U.S., and then as a teenager went to Saudi Arabia to study Islam. He lectured often at the Center for Islamic Information and Education in Falls Church, Virginia. He was a founding member of the center, which is also known as Dar al-Arqam.

                                  The Virginia Jihad Network was a group of radical Islamists who were charged with engaging in terrorist plots. Nine members of the group were convicted of using and possessing various weapons, rocket-propelled grenades and explosives.

                                  Al-Tamimi was later convicted of being the spiritual leader of the group and of having encouraged them to wage Jihad on the U.S.

                                  Gaubatz maintains that he and his team of field workers at the Mapping Shari’a in America Project are not only focusing on major metropolitan areas. Although there is plenty of Islamist activity in cities such as Detroit, Dearborn, Michigan and Washington, he says radical Muslims are also establishing education and religious centers in small towns.

                                  “They’re branching out and teaching the Jihadist ideology in small towns across America, especially in rural areas in places like Virginia, North Carolina and South Carolina,” Gaubatz said.

                                  He says that a terrorist atrocity on U.S. soil similar to what happened on 9/11 is inevitable unless Americans take decisive measures.

                                  “If we let our guard down, another 9/11-maybe even something worse-is going to happen again,” he said. “We need to be proactive rather than reactive.”

                                  Gaubatz says that his investigative team is composed of individuals of various faiths, whose goal is to protect the American homeland from Islamic extremism.

                                  “We have a team consisting of Christians, Jews and Muslims-there are several Muslims, in fact, on our team-who go undercover and try to penetrate radical mosques in this country,” he said. “This is not about being anti-Muslim. It is about being anti-extremism, anti-Jihadism and anti-terrorism.

                                  “Our mission is to get at the truth-to find out the truth about what’s really going on in our country."

                                  www.mappingsharia.us/Insight...8-67.htm

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                                  • Anything negative that can be found in the Koran can also be found in the Torah.
                                      • The Muslim Brotherhood "Project"
                                        By Patrick Poole
                                        FrontPageMagazine.com | 5/11/2006

                                        "One might be led to think that if international law enforcement authorities and Western intelligence agencies had discovered a twenty-year old document revealing a top-secret plan developed by the oldest Islamist organization with one of the most extensive terror networks in the world to launch a program of “cultural invasion” and eventual conquest of the West that virtually mirrors the tactics used by Islamists for more than two decades, that such news would scream from headlines published on the front pages and above the fold of the New York Times, Washington Post, London Times, Le Monde, Bild, and La Repubblica.

                                        If that’s what you might think, you would be wrong.

                                        In fact, such a document was recovered in a raid by Swiss authorities in November 2001, two months after the horror of 9/11. Since that time information about this document, known in counterterrorism circles as “The Project”, and discussion regarding its content has been limited to the top-secret world of Western intelligence communities. Only through the work of an intrepid Swiss journalist, Sylvain Besson of Le Temps, and his book published in October 2005 in France, La conquête de l'Occident: Le projet secret des Islamistes (The Conquest of the West: The Islamists' Secret Project), has information regarding The Project finally been made public. One Western official cited by Besson has described The Project as “a totalitarian ideology of infiltration which represents, in the end, the greatest danger for European societies.”

                                        Now FrontPage readers will be the first to be able to read the complete English translation of The Project.

                                        What Western intelligence authorities know about The Project begins with the raid of a luxurious villa in Campione, Switzerland on November 7, 2001. The target of the raid was Youssef Nada, director of the Al-Taqwa Bank of Lugano, who has had active association with the Muslim Brotherhood for more than 50 years and who admitted to being one of the organization’s international leaders. The Muslim Brotherhood, regarded as the oldest and one of the most important Islamist movements in the world, was founded by Hasan al-Banna in 1928 and dedicated to the credo, “Allah is our objective. The Prophet is our leader. Qur’an is our law. Jihad is our way. Dying in the way of Allah is our highest hope.”

                                        The raid was conducted by Swiss law enforcement at the request of the White House in the initial crackdown on terrorist finances in the immediate aftermath of 9/11. US and Swiss investigators had been looking at Al-Taqwa’s involvement in money laundering and funding a wide range of Islamic terrorist groups, including Al-Qaeda, HAMAS (the Palestinian affiliate of the Muslim Brotherhood), the Algerian GIA, and the Tunisian Ennahdah.

                                        Included in the documents seized during the raid of Nada’s Swiss villa was a 14-page plan written in Arabic and dated December 1, 1982, which outlines a 12-point strategy to “establish an Islamic government on earth” - identified as The Project. According to testimony given to Swiss authorities by Nada, the unsigned document was prepared by “Islamic researchers” associated with the Muslim Brotherhood.

                                        What makes The Project so different from the standard “Death of America! Death to Israel!” and “Establish the global caliphate!” Islamist rhetoric is that it represents a flexible, multi-phased, long-term approach to the “cultural invasion” of the West. Calling for the utilization of various tactics, ranging from immigration, infiltration, surveillance, propaganda, protest, deception, political legitimacy and terrorism, The Project has served for more than two decades as the Muslim Brotherhood “master plan”. As can be seen in a number of examples throughout Europe - including the political recognition of parallel Islamist government organizations in Sweden, the recent “cartoon” jihad in Denmark, the Parisian car-burning intifada last November, and the 7/7 terrorist attacks in London - the plan outlined in The Project has been overwhelmingly successful.

                                        Rather than focusing on terrorism as the sole method of group action, as is the case with Al-Qaeda, in perfect postmodern fashion the use of terror falls into a multiplicity of options available to progressively infiltrate, confront, and eventually establish Islamic domination over the West. The following tactics and techniques are among the many recommendations made in The Project:

                                        * Networking and coordinating actions between likeminded Islamist organizations;
                                        * Avoiding open alliances with known terrorist organizations and individuals to maintain the appearance of “moderation”;
                                        * Infiltrating and taking over existing Muslim organizations to realign them towards the Muslim Brotherhood’s collective goals;
                                        * Using deception to mask the intended goals of Islamist actions, as long as it doesn’t conflict with shari’a law;
                                        * Avoiding social conflicts with Westerners locally, nationally or globally, that might damage the long-term ability to expand the Islamist powerbase in the West or provoke a lash back against Muslims;
                                        * Establishing financial networks to fund the work of conversion of the West, including the support of full-time administrators and workers;
                                        * Conducting surveillance, obtaining data, and establishing collection and data storage capabilities;
                                        * Putting into place a watchdog system for monitoring Western media to warn Muslims of “international plots fomented against them”;
                                        * Cultivating an Islamist intellectual community, including the establishment of think-tanks and advocacy groups, and publishing “academic” studies, to legitimize Islamist positions and to chronicle the history of Islamist movements;
                                        * Developing a comprehensive 100-year plan to advance Islamist ideology throughout the world;
                                        * Balancing international objectives with local flexibility;
                                        * Building extensive social networks of schools, hospitals and charitable organizations dedicated to Islamist ideals so that contact with the movement for Muslims in the West is constant;
                                        * Involving ideologically committed Muslims in democratically-elected institutions on all levels in the West, including government, NGOs, private organizations and labor unions;
                                        * Instrumentally using existing Western institutions until they can be converted and put into service of Islam;
                                        * Drafting Islamic constitutions, laws and policies for eventual implementation;
                                        * Avoiding conflict within the Islamist movements on all levels, including the development of processes for conflict resolution;
                                        * Instituting alliances with Western “progressive” organizations that share similar goals;
                                        * Creating autonomous “security forces” to protect Muslims in the West;
                                        * Inflaming violence and keeping Muslims living in the West “in a jihad frame of mind”;
                                        * Supporting jihad movements across the Muslim world through preaching, propaganda, personnel, funding, and technical and operational support;
                                        * Making the Palestinian cause a global wedge issue for Muslims;
                                        * Adopting the total liberation of Palestine from Israel and the creation of an Islamic state as a keystone in the plan for global Islamic domination;
                                        * Instigating a constant campaign to incite hatred by Muslims against Jews and rejecting any discussions of conciliation or coexistence with them;
                                        * Actively creating jihad terror cells within Palestine;
                                        * Linking the terrorist activities in Palestine with the global terror movement;
                                        * Collecting sufficient funds to indefinitely perpetuate and support jihad around the world;

                                        In reading The Project, it should be kept in mind that it was drafted in 1982 when current tensions and terrorist activities in the Middle East were still very nascent. In many respects, The Project is extremely prescient for outlining the bulk of Islamist action, whether by “moderate” Islamist organizations or outright terror groups, over the past two decades.

                                        At present, most of what is publicly known about The Project is the result of Sylvain Besson’s investigative work, including his book and a related article published last October in the Swiss daily, Le Temps, L'islamisme à la conquête du monde (Islamism and the Conquest of the World), profiling his book, which is only available in a French-language edition. At least one Egyptian newspaper, Al-Mussawar, published the entire Arabic text of The Project last November.

                                        In the English-language press, the attention paid to Besson’s revelation of The Project has been almost non-existent. The only mention found in a mainstream media publication in the US has been as a secondary item in an article in the Weekly Standard (February 20, 2006) by Olivier Guitta, The Cartoon Jihad. The most extensive commentary on The Project has been by an American researcher and journalist living in London, Scott Burgess, who has posted his analysis of the document on his blog, The Daily Ablution. Along with his commentary, an English translation of the French text of The Project was serialized in December (Parts I, II, III, IV, V, Conclusion). The complete English translation prepared by Mr. Burgess is presented in its entirety here with his permission.

                                        The lack of public discussion about The Project notwithstanding, the document and the plan it outlines has been the subject of considerable discussion amongst the Western intelligence agencies. One US counterterrorism official who spoke with Besson about The Project, and who is cited in Guitta’s Weekly Standard article, is current White House terrorism czar, Juan Zarate. Calling The Project a Muslim Brotherhood master plan for “spreading their political ideology,” Zarate expressed concerns to Besson because “the Muslim Brotherhood is a group that worries us not because it deals with philosophical or ideological ideas but because it defends the use of violence against civilians.”

                                        One renowned international scholar of Islamist movements who also spoke with Besson, Reuven Paz, talked about The Project in its historical context:

                                        The Project was part of the charter of the international organization of the Muslim Brotherhood, which was official established on July 29, 1982. It reflects a vast plan which was revived in the 1960s, with the immigration of Brotherhood intellectuals, principally Syrian and Egyptians, into Europe.

                                        As Paz notes, The Project was drafted by the Muslim Brotherhood as part of its rechartering process in 1982, a time that marks an upswing in its organizational expansion internationally, as well as a turning point in the alternating periods of repression and toleration by the Egyptian government. In 1952, the organization played a critical support role to the Free Officers Movement led by Gamal Abdul Nasser, which overthrew King Faruq, but quickly fell out of favor with the new revolutionary regime because of Nasser’s refusal to follow the Muslim Brotherhood’s call to institute an ideologically committed Islamic state. At various times since the July Revolution in 1952, the Brotherhood has regularly been banned and its leaders killed and imprisoned by Egyptian authorities.

                                        Since it was rechartered in 1982, the Muslim Brotherhood has spread its network across the Middle East, Europe, and even America. At home in Egypt, parliamentary elections in 2005 saw the Muslim Brotherhood winning 20 percent of the available legislative seats, comprising the largest opposition party block. Its Palestinian affiliate, known to the world as HAMAS, recently gained control of the Palestinian Authority after elections secured for them 74 of 132 seats in the Palestinian Legislative Council. Its Syrian branch has historically been the largest organized group opposing the Assad regime, and the organization also has affiliates in Jordan, Sudan, and Iraq. In the US, the Muslim Brotherhood is primarily represented by the Muslim American Society (MAS).

                                        Since its formation, the Muslim Brotherhood has advocated the use of terrorism as a means of advancing its agenda of global Islamic domination. But as the largest popular radical movement in the Islamic world, it has attracted many leading Islamist intellectuals. Included among this group of Muslim Brotherhood intellectuals is Youssef Qaradawi, an Egyptian-born, Qatar-based Islamist cleric.

                                        As one of the leading Muslim Brotherhood spiritual figures and radical Islamic preachers (who has his own weekly program on Al-Jazeera), Qaradawi has been one of the leading apologists of suicide bombings in Israel and terrorism against Western interests in the Middle East. Both Sylvain Besson and Scott Burgess provide extensive comparisons between Qaradawi’s publication, Priorities of the Islamic Movement in the Coming Phase, published in 1990, and The Project, which predates Qaradawi’s Priorities by eight years. They note the striking similarities in the language used and the plans and methods both documents advocate. It is speculated that The Project was either used by Qaradawi as a template for his own work, or that he had a hand in its drafting in 1982. Perhaps coincidentally, Qaradawi was the fourth largest shareholder in the Al-Taqwa Bank of Lugano, the director of which, Youssef Nada, was the individual in whose possession The Project was found. Since 1999, Qaradawi has been banned from entering the US as a result of his connections to terrorist organizations and his outspoken advocacy of terrorism.

                                        For those who have read The Project, what is most troubling is not that Islamists have developed a plan for global dominance; it has been assumed by experts that Islamist organizations and terrorist groups have been operating off an agreed-upon set of general principles, networks and methodology. What is startling is how effectively the Islamist plan for conquest outlined in The Project has been implemented by Muslims in the West for more than two decades. Equally troubling is the ideology that lies behind the plan: inciting hatred and violence against Jewish populations around the world; the deliberate co-opting and subversion of Western public and private institutions; its recommendation of a policy of deliberate escalating confrontation by Muslims living in the West against their neighbors and fellow-citizens; the acceptance of terrorism as a legitimate option for achieving their ends and the inevitable reality of jihad against non-Muslims; and its ultimate goal of forcibly instituting the Islamic rule of the caliphate by shari’a in the West, and eventually the whole world.

                                        If the experience over the past quarter of a century seen in Europe and the US is any indication, the “Islamic researchers” who drafted The Project more than two decades ago must be pleased to see their long-term plan to conquer the West and to see the Green flag of Islam raised over its citizens realized so rapidly, efficiently and completely. If Islamists are equally successful in the years to come, Westerners ought to enjoy their personal and political freedoms while they last."

                                        www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx
  • from what I have seen -- DOGMA -- is never a good means to an end.
    • Just in case folks hadn't heard this before, here is a quote from the Koran, Surah 9:111 (Dawood translation):

      "God has purchased from the faithful their lives and worldly goods and in return has promised them the Garden. They will fight for the cause of God, slay and be slain. Such is the true promise which He has made for them in the Torah, the Gospel and the Koran. And who is more true to his pledge than God? Rejoice then in the bargain you have made. That is the supreme triumph."

      Now, since I don't see much about this "coincidence" on the net, nor in the media, I'd have to say that few people are even aware of it.

      Does anyone still believe Muslims were *NOT* involved in 9/11?

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      Risking Her Life to Expose Islam -
      www.cbn.com/CBNnews/184492.aspx

      DHIMWIT - "dhim·wit (dmwt ) - A non-Muslim member of a free society that abets the stated cause of Islamic domination with remarkable gullibility or guile. A dhimwit is always quick to extend sympathy to the very enemy that would take away his or her own freedom (or life) if given the opportunity."

      "Terrorists usually don't start out as terrorists. They are mostly just dedicated Muslims who come to believe that their religion is under attack, or that some power is targeting Muslim civilians because they are Muslim. From there, it is an easy transition to justifying violence, since that was the unequivocal command of Islam's prophet."
      www.thereligionofpeace.com/Page...s.htm

      islamwatchers.blogspot.com

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      • "Sharia in America

        By Ayesha Ahmed

        Omar M. Ahmad founder of CAIR said:"Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant" he said. "The Koran, the Muslim book of scripture, should be the highest authority in America , and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth," he said.

        Americans should give a serious thought to CAIR's agenda.. If Islam and sharia is adopted in America , It will be great. .

        Muslims are right. None of the existing Islamic countries are truly Islamic, that is why they don't progress and most of them are poor, corrupt and miserable. We must implement 100% sharia and sunna to get full benefits of Islam. Inshallah we will try to do it in USA to make it the first real Muslim country after the days of rightly guided khalifas Consider the following advantages: ..."

        www.faithfreedom.org/Article...1220.htm

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        • Open Season - CAIR remix
          www.youtube.com/watch

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          • "Obsession: Radical Islam's War Against the West" DVD -
            www.obsessionthemovie.com

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            • JM
              JM
              offline 98
              You know, most of the issues I'm reading about on this thread - especially the practices you point out as atrocious (honor killings, genital mutilation, child marriages etc.) - aren't specifically Muslim practices. They're not even really religion-related. They're cultural practices of specific ethnic groups.

              Islam, sure, is the banner under which increasingly populous (and increasingly opressed, world-wide) groups stand to unite. But tearing at the banner isn't going to help your fight against "barbarism" (I put the word in quotes because I, too, like a majority of American males of the period, was "genitally mutilated" a few minutes after birth - in an American hospital run by Episcopal nuns.)

              You'd do better to level your criticism at specific practices of cultural groups. If you can isolate your contentions, you'd not only be presenting a clearer, truer picture to outsiders of Islam - you might also encourage Muslims to put pressure on members of their own faith to reform.
              • A post from a friend ...

                [quote]"Sharia law 'unavoidable' in Britain: leader of Anglican church"
                - yahoo news
                news.yahoo.com/s/afp/2008...s.Gk_x0bBAF

                For all of this wretched, pathetic, accommodationist attitude, there are a lot of tolerant, liberal Europeans that are increasingly pissed off about this; I personally know several. If this kind of BS continues, there will be a culture war, and probably a violent one.

                The absolute refusal of certain Muslim groups to integrate into European society is a problem that must be addressed, and the current burying-the-heads-in-sand attitude of European governments will have disastrous consequences.

                Appeasement of toxic ideologies never works: just ask Neville Chamberlain...[/quote]

                UK to extradite Islamic preacher -

                "LONDON - Britain's Home Office on Thursday approved the extradition of an Islamic preacher who is accused of trying to establish a terrorist training camp in Oregon, a spokesman said."

                "Al-Masri already has been sentenced to seven years' imprisonment in Britain for fomenting racial hatred and urging his followers to kill non-Muslims."
                news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080...YsABA.ROrgF

                "Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice"
                ayaanhirsiali.org

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                • How Islam will dominate the world
                  tinyurl.com/2jfko7

                  "THIS IS A MUST READ FOR EVERYONE IN THE WORLD WHO CARES ABOUT THEIR
                  FREEDOM!

                  We are slated to be conquered by Muslims. This "secret" is so well
                  known that Muslim bloggers are setting out the plot in detail. If you
                  think this is a joke, think again. This plot is well financed, and, as
                  we can see from this Muslim's blog post, any means will be used to
                  bring it about, including slaughter. As this barbarian points out, the
                  vast majority of human beings will not accept Islam - thank God!
                  (irony) - but Islam will be forced upon us all anyway.

                  I have run this site through anonymouse.org so that your IP will not
                  end up in the logs of this blog owner, to be used by these potential
                  enslavers of mankind. This feature may slow down the loading of this
                  site, but it is absolutely essential that no one go there without using
                  this anonymizer.

                  How Islam will dominate the world
                  tinyurl.com/2jfko7

                  All of the most well known tactics are laid out there, including the
                  verses from the Koran that are being used to create and rally an army
                  of hundreds of millions of violent Musbots worldwide. If you think
                  that sound scary, you are right. And such is the power of religious
                  brainwashing that these minions can be induced easily to murder their
                  fellow human beings in the name of God.

                  In reading this site, you are looking right into the (absolutely evil)
                  mind of the Muslim fanatic who has declared eternal warfare on the free
                  world.

                  Forewarned is forearmed.

                  "If the Muslims are unable to convince their people (e.g. through
                  peaceful da’wah) to embrace Islam and implement the Sharee’ah, it then
                  becomes an obligation upon them to make hijrah and unite (build their
                  own community and execute the Sharee’ah over themselves) and then rise
                  against the government by force at a later date, regardless of whether
                  they are the majority or the minority."

                  tinyurl.com/2jfko7

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  • Tricky subject.

    But as a common denominator for all people on the Earth, whichever religion, we are all being severely damaged by the pervasive Chem Trail / Bioweapon spraying ......

    www.worldgathering.net/stop/

    Perhaps if this was stopped - by us - we could all be a lot more healthy and a lot more energised and clear in our minds to start righting many wrongs.
    • More appeasement on the slippery road to global Islamization...

      Dutch Establishment Threatens to Prosecute Wilders and Claim Damages

      "...because Mr Wilders expressed the opinion that the Koran is “a fascist book which should be banned in the Netherlands.”

      www.brusselsjournal.com/node/3084

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      • While billions are being spent spreading the fundamentalist Islamic cancer around the world, people in Egypt are starving.

        Hopefully, this will be a wake up call that ISLAM IS AN OPPRESSION, NOT THE ANSWER TO THE WORLD'S PROBLEMS.

        Al Azhar spends $10 billion on Islam while Egyptians can't find bread
        April 05 2008
        europenews.dk/en/node/9031

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