The Truth About Islam
We hear so much folderol these days about Islam being a "peaceful religion." The fact is that Islam is anti-human and anti-woman - the most anti-human and anti-woman ideology on the face of the earth today. We need merely repeat a number of quotes from the Koran itself in order to prove these points. Anyone who claims the opposite is either willfully ignorant or despicably dishonest - and there are far too many people making such erroneous or deceptive assertions.
Let's start with the idiocy that Islam is "peaceful." In the first place, the record speaks for itself: Horrendous barbarism and atrocity repeatedly carried out in the name of Islam, wherever it can be found worldwide over a period of many centuries. Let us examine one of the worst examples of modern history: The horrors perpetrated in Bangladesh. No civilized human being could possibly participate in such atrocities.
tbknews.blogspot.com/2006/03...ind.html
3 million deaths and 200,000 rapes - these are the fruits of a "peaceful religion?!"
Fast forward to the millions of foaming-at-the-mouth ranters killing and threatening people worldwide over some cartoons - cartoons that accurately lampooned this hideous ideology. These are the fruits of a "peaceful religion?"
The list of atrocities done in the name of Islam is VERY LONG and includes the ongoing torture of women. Let's proceed with the fallacy that Islam is "peaceful." Here is a quote from the Koran that puts to rest that lie once and for all:
"Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home: an evil fate." Q 9:73
I repeat, anyone asserting otherwise is simply ignorant or a purveyor of falsehood, to say the least.
The treatment of women within Islam is absolutely ABYSMAL - and is contrived to be so, through the manmade set of "laws" found in the Koran, a book with the psychotic qualities of the Bible but none of the "entertaining" stories. It is as if the writers of the Koran set out to chronicle the most atrocious concept of God ever developed. Here is what the Koran says about women:
"Men have authority over women because God has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient." Q 4:34
PLEASE read the other quotes at: www.truthbeknown.com/islamquotes.htm
This article ranks no. 1 in the world when "quotes from the koran" is googled, along with a number of other keyphrases.
I will not even go into the horrid mistreatment of boys within Muslim communities - it is a revolting aspect indeed. I have written about this awful psychopathy within Islam for many years, but many still do not know about it. Even though it is unfortunately not widely known, there is an unending epidemic of child abuse - specifically sexual abuse - within Islamic societies, starting, of course, with Mohammed's rape of his 9-year-old "bride."
These facts should not be let slip by lightly, as they are the root of much of the sociopathy we are facing with the encroachment of Muslim cultures in the U.S. and elsewhere. With that increase in the U.S., we also have record numbers of emergency-room visits by little girls with their genitals hacked off, a recent case of the psycho in Georgia who cut off his 2-year-old daughter's clitoris with a pair of scissors. Fortunately, this demented moron received 10 years - because female genital mutilation is illegal in the U.S., as it should be in any CIVILIZED country.
In my opinion, the spread of this fanatically violent and misogynistic ideology is a great threat that we all need to take very seriously. It does not bode well for the civilized world that the purveyors of barbarism are freely trampling over the term "truth." These individuals should NOT be allowed to get away with their spurious and disgraceful assertions but should be loudly called to the carpet.
~ Acharya
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We hear so much folderol these days about Islam being a "peaceful religion." The fact is that Islam is anti-human and anti-woman - the most anti-human and anti-woman ideology on the face of the earth today. We need merely repeat a number of quotes from the Koran itself in order to prove these points. Anyone who claims the opposite is either willfully ignorant or despicably dishonest - and there are far too many people making such erroneous or deceptive assertions.
Let's start with the idiocy that Islam is "peaceful." In the first place, the record speaks for itself: Horrendous barbarism and atrocity repeatedly carried out in the name of Islam, wherever it can be found worldwide over a period of many centuries. Let us examine one of the worst examples of modern history: The horrors perpetrated in Bangladesh. No civilized human being could possibly participate in such atrocities.
tbknews.blogspot.com/2006/03...ind.html
3 million deaths and 200,000 rapes - these are the fruits of a "peaceful religion?!"
Fast forward to the millions of foaming-at-the-mouth ranters killing and threatening people worldwide over some cartoons - cartoons that accurately lampooned this hideous ideology. These are the fruits of a "peaceful religion?"
The list of atrocities done in the name of Islam is VERY LONG and includes the ongoing torture of women. Let's proceed with the fallacy that Islam is "peaceful." Here is a quote from the Koran that puts to rest that lie once and for all:
"Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home: an evil fate." Q 9:73
I repeat, anyone asserting otherwise is simply ignorant or a purveyor of falsehood, to say the least.
The treatment of women within Islam is absolutely ABYSMAL - and is contrived to be so, through the manmade set of "laws" found in the Koran, a book with the psychotic qualities of the Bible but none of the "entertaining" stories. It is as if the writers of the Koran set out to chronicle the most atrocious concept of God ever developed. Here is what the Koran says about women:
"Men have authority over women because God has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient." Q 4:34
PLEASE read the other quotes at: www.truthbeknown.com/islamquotes.htm
This article ranks no. 1 in the world when "quotes from the koran" is googled, along with a number of other keyphrases.
I will not even go into the horrid mistreatment of boys within Muslim communities - it is a revolting aspect indeed. I have written about this awful psychopathy within Islam for many years, but many still do not know about it. Even though it is unfortunately not widely known, there is an unending epidemic of child abuse - specifically sexual abuse - within Islamic societies, starting, of course, with Mohammed's rape of his 9-year-old "bride."
These facts should not be let slip by lightly, as they are the root of much of the sociopathy we are facing with the encroachment of Muslim cultures in the U.S. and elsewhere. With that increase in the U.S., we also have record numbers of emergency-room visits by little girls with their genitals hacked off, a recent case of the psycho in Georgia who cut off his 2-year-old daughter's clitoris with a pair of scissors. Fortunately, this demented moron received 10 years - because female genital mutilation is illegal in the U.S., as it should be in any CIVILIZED country.
In my opinion, the spread of this fanatically violent and misogynistic ideology is a great threat that we all need to take very seriously. It does not bode well for the civilized world that the purveyors of barbarism are freely trampling over the term "truth." These individuals should NOT be allowed to get away with their spurious and disgraceful assertions but should be loudly called to the carpet.
~ Acharya
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Re: The Truth About Islam
Fri, March 23, 2007 - 12:31 PMThe question isn't whether Islam is misogynist or has inspired killing. There is no question that--whether interpreted correctly or not--it has.
The question is what other religions are also misogynist and inspire killing. And again, whether interpreted correctly or not, most world religions also match this description. -
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Fri, March 23, 2007 - 12:56 PM"And again, whether interpreted correctly or not, most world religions also match this description."
I would say all, and add to that many forms of secular thinking or philosophies; man doesnt need much to inspire him to his basest instincts
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Sat, March 24, 2007 - 7:15 AMI am always sceptical when reading quotes on the internet, and like to verify elsewhere. So I have started to read the koran to see for myself.
In priciple however, I think all world religions are manipulative and have been misused with atrocious results. They should all be banned, unless they allow participants to blend and mix religious ideas as they please..to avoid the appearance of dogmas and intolerance. -
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Sat, March 24, 2007 - 7:34 AM"They should all be banned, unless they allow participants to blend and mix religious ideas as they please..to avoid the appearance of dogmas and intolerance."
lots of luck
PS I think the best statement there is to the present state of affairs, with in the Islamic world, was how people tended to react to the Infamous remarks by the Pope, that criticized Islam for being Inherently Violent. But to be honest, I doubt most of these problems can be solely attributed to religion, when such elements as poverty, corruption, and Education play such a visible role in shaping this world. -
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Re: The Truth About Islam
Sat, March 24, 2007 - 7:39 AM<The fact is that Islam is anti-human and anti-woman - the most anti-human and anti-woman ideology on the face of the earth today.>
The same can easily be said for Christianity.
The problem is all religions. By their very nature of claiming to be the one true faith people *must* follow they spread hate and incite violence. Religions are holding back the advancement of the human race. Religions are keeping people mired in the past and distracting us from the true state of the world. Religions will be the major cause of the extinction of the human race. -
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Sat, March 24, 2007 - 7:46 AM"The problem is all religions. By their very nature of claiming to be the one true faith people *must* follow they spread hate and incite violence. Religions are holding back the advancement of the human race. Religions are keeping people mired in the past and distracting us from the true state of the world. Religions will be the major cause of the extinction of the human race."
Even secular thought can be attributed with some of the most violent actions on this planet, and blaming the ills of the world on religion ultimately gets us nowhere -
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Sun, March 25, 2007 - 4:45 AMno I will disagree that ALL religions are like that.
In Japan, as one example, I am sure there are more, the Shinto-Buddhism mixed with a little Zen and some other ancient religions is truly a blend.
In Japan you are born and blessed shinto, have a shinto wedding, and are buried a buddhist. In a house which has believers you will always find a little shinto shrine with water and prayer ribbons to keep the spirits happy, as well as a buddhist shrine to pray to the ancestors.. and many will have a zen corner to worship as well., these dont bite each other, any temple will accomodate all elements, often within a single building, or at least on the grounds.
there is no japanese religious event which doesnt contain all the other religions..
peacefully, contradictorily, tolerantly...
In the christian community, there are pagan and norse religious elements, - but they have been denied by the christian church, and are not to be named as such., and the knowledge of their origin have purely historical interest, if that. So this is not what I mean, when I describe the situation in Japan.
It is my impression that a similar situation as in Japan can be witnessed in other asian countries,- and this is also where I cannot recall religious wars in the past few 1000 years or so.. Can anyone confirm this?
Religion will always be attractive to so many people while our daily lives do not contain spirituality and meaning. If we can achieve this without religion its popularity will fade, and a decent level of unity can be achieved. -
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Sun, March 25, 2007 - 7:10 AMThere is a reason Marx called religion the opiate of the people. :) A crutch for spirituality although I don’t think he saw it like that.
I have been to Japan and I have also studied Buddhism for a while. Although I studied in the US with a Korean Buddhist monk a little different than Japan. I do agree that Buddhism teaches many of the spiritual ideas that put the world on a better path. The ideas are much more connected to the earth and all creatures that live on it. But in Japan I saw a lot of the trappings of religion. During one of the larger ceremonies people travel from all over and donate in the temples. In one of the more popular temples in Japan they set up a huge net to collect the notes people throw in. By the end of the day the net is full to the height of a three story building (this is a very large temple) with billions worth of yen. -
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Re: The Truth About Islam
Sun, March 25, 2007 - 8:22 AMBut even Marxism wasn't free from Ideological thought and needless excess, a perfect example would be the Khmer Rouge
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Sun, March 25, 2007 - 8:19 AM"It is my impression that a similar situation as in Japan can be witnessed in other asian countries,- and this is also where I cannot recall religious wars in the past few 1000 years or so.. Can anyone confirm this?"
Well this raises the question, is any religious war, really about religion? It is my understanding that the First Crusade was seen as a way of directing the Violent elements of European culture in a new direction. One can see the same scenario playing out in the Modern conflict between India and Pakistan ( it seems like nothing unites a people like a common enemy).
PS their was religious violence between the Yellow, and Red hat sects of Buddhism in Tibet as early as the 1600's ( I will have to look for further data on this, but do to the fact my brain doesnt work without caffeine, it will have to wait till later)
PSS " In Japan you are born and blessed shinto, have a shinto wedding, and are buried a buddhist. In a house which has believers you will always find a little shinto shrine with water and prayer ribbons to keep the spirits happy, as well as a buddhist shrine to pray to the ancestors.. and many will have a zen corner to worship as well., these dont bite each other, any temple will accomodate all elements, often within a single building, or at least on the grounds.
there is no japanese religious event which doesnt contain all the other religions..
peacefully, contradictorily, tolerantly "
You also see this in Bhutan with the open mixing of the Bon(sp) religion and Buddhism, and has a historical precedence in the local myth and legends of the area(Such as Drukpa Kunley's habit of Subduing the Demons of local areas via his "Thunderbolt of Wisdom". This same process can be seen at play in early Greek legend as well, say for instance Zeus's habit of taking a variety of concubines -
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Re: The Truth About Islam
Sun, March 25, 2007 - 9:47 AMPedophilia in Islam
Muhammed -The Pedophile -
Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64: Sahih Bukhari Aisha: that the Prophet (Muhammed 53 years old) married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).
www.papillonsartpalace.com/muht...d.htm
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Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, The Supreme Leader of Iran, the Shia Grand Ayatollah, 1979-89 said in his official statements:
"A man can quench his sexual lusts with a child as young as a baby. However, he should not penetrate. Sodomizing the baby is halal (allowed by sharia). If the man penetrates and damages the child, then he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life. This girl, however, does not count as one of his four permanent wives. The man will not be eligible to marry the girl’s sister. It is better for a girl to marry when her menstruation starts, and at her husband's house rather than her father's home. Any father marrying his daughter so young will have a permanent place in heaven."
Khomeini, "Tahrirolvasyleh" fourth volume, Darol Elm, Gom, Iran, 1990
“It is not illegal for an adult male to 'thigh' or enjoy a young girl who is still in the age of weaning; meaning to place his penis between her thighs, and to kiss her.”
www.faithfreedom.org/Article...18p2.htm
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Sun, March 25, 2007 - 3:20 PMIt's nice to want to soft-sell Shintoism, being a living pagan religion, but it's very wrapped up with Japanese nationalism and xenophobia - as my Japanese wife has often reminded me. And the Japanese samurai, as well as soldiers during WWII, cut and pasted their own version of Buddhism that embraced nihilism as a philosophy, in order to create perfect warriors by removing fear of death. The results were endless blood-feuds (in the case of samurai) and kamikaze pilots (who also, because of Shinto tradition, saw the Emperor as a living god).
This same process is behind the corruptions of Islam and Christianity being pushed by religiofascists, who interpret the texts as they see fit to further their own agenda. It's important to remember that fundamentalist Muslims use Islam as a justification of some particularly brutal tribal customs, though such customs are not mentioned in the Koran, just as Christian fundamentalists re-interpret the bible, or worse, wholly invent nonsensical proclamations, like the Robertson/Falwell axis of evil blaming 9/11 and Hurricane Katrina on moral decay. It is religious fundamentalism that is the problem -- whatever the religion in question -- and not necessarily the religions themselves. Religion can be often be relatively harmless, and religions, like political parties, have their liberals and moderates as well.
Unless we separate fundamentalist thought from religion, we'll never be any closer to understanding what causes the hatred and violence perpetrated by people under the guise of religion. Fundamentalism is the real enemy, not a specific religion, as fundamentalism and its resulting fanaticism crosses ALL religious lines. -
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Sun, March 25, 2007 - 3:53 PM"It is religious fundamentalism that is the problem -- whatever the religion in question -- and not necessarily the religions themselves. Religion can be often be relatively harmless, and religions, like political parties, have their liberals and moderates as well. "
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Re: The Truth About Islam
Mon, March 26, 2007 - 4:44 AMspeaking of fundamentalists and the problems that they cause......
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6494289.stm
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Mon, March 26, 2007 - 5:04 AMI have searched high and low abot the possible sections referred to in the links sited below, where sections of the Islam are perported to site pedophaelia.
Besides actually holding a copy of the Qur'an in my hand as I type this, I have searched the internet,- and cannot even find "Book7" and cant imagine to where or what this is referring to, as the Qur'an does not have 7 books, and is counted in Sura's.
<<From Wikipedia: Format of the Qur'an
The first chapter of the Qur'an consisting of seven Ayat.
Main article: Sura
The Qur'ān consists of 114 suras of different lengths, with a total of 6236 verses (Arabic: ayat literary meaning "sign") (6348 ayat counting all the basmalas (q.v.)). [26]>>
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qur'an
the book of Qur'an online, where the Sura are called Chapter
etext.virginia.edu/toc/mode...Kora.html
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Mon, March 26, 2007 - 5:09 AMto B
at least the Japanese dont have to pay church tax as part of their governmental tax system,- like we do here in Switzerland!! (there are more than a billion yen's worth of Swiss Francs to collect every year for swiss christian churches!!
(It is possible to opt out, and declare yourself a non-believer.. but if you got to the city office to do this, they at first will tell you that this is not possible,- as it is so unheard of..)
I pay the same amount of taxes as the others by the way,- I guess in theory my little piece just shouldnt be passed along to the churches..though I doubt there are books kept on the escapees!
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Mon, March 26, 2007 - 7:05 AMActually Jana, if you read that website, they give you everything you need to find quotes from the Koran.
On the next part I shared, here is the website to the translator from the original language. It's anything but political slander and false statements.
Dr. Homa Darabi's Foundation is a non-profit organization, independent from all present political, social and religious factions with goal and objective to promote the Rights of women and children as defined by the Universal Declaration of the United Nations 1948 General Assembly.
* To Separate Church and State
* To Establish Democracy
* To Abolish Gender Apartheid and to Establish the
* Equality of the Sexes
www.homa.org/
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Mon, March 26, 2007 - 11:53 AMthere is an update relating to the homa site here
mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/053937.php
also I found out one sister is in the states, building war equipment for the NATO, while the other killed herself in 1994,- so I guess she is trying to find a culprit. Understandable, but not fair.
here a wiki stub
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parvin_Darabi
I found many posts of hers all over the web, clearly home spun , angry and not having the spell checker switched on.
sorry, but I cannot take such a person seriously.
In fact, I think with her approach she is discrediting serious campaigns which could move things in the right direction for womens rights for example.. It saddens me that what she does is motivated by hatred, and is not helping anyone.
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Re: The Truth About Islam
Mon, March 26, 2007 - 11:59 AMand this just a related site, which may also shed more light on what is going on.
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Mon, March 26, 2007 - 1:31 PMGood points Jana,
That particular bit is from "Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64: Sahih Bukhari Aisha", not the Koran.
"Vol. 4", "4th Edition"? - It is an easy typo. As for the 'updates'. . Maybe its best to actually make contact with Dr. Homa Darabi for your questions? Let us know what you find out - www.homa.org/Contact_Us/Default.asp
If its Islam quotes you're looking for - www.truthbeknown.com/islamquotes.htm
'Immigrant Rape Wave in Sweden' -
"An Islamic Mufti in Copenhagen sparked a political outcry after publicly declaring that women who refuse to wear headscarves are "asking for rape." Apparently, he's not the only one thinking this way. “It is not as wrong raping a Swedish girl as raping an Arab girl,” says Hamid. “The Swedish girl gets a lot of help afterwards, and she had probably fucked before, anyway."
"The number of rapes committed by Muslim immigrants in Western nations are so extremely high that it is difficult to view them only as random acts of individuals. It resembles warfare. Muhammad himself had forced sex (rape) with several of his slave girls/concubines. This is perfectly allowed, both in the sunna and in the Koran. If you postulate that many of the Muslims in Europe view themselves as a conquering army and that European women are simply war booty, it all makes perfect sense and is in full accordance with Islamic law."
fjordman.blogspot.com/2005/12...den.html
So, who wants to be the first to marry a Muslim man that abides by Islamic law?
www.thereligionofpeace.com/
You should know that the fact that Muhammad was a pedophile is NOT contested. Just do a google "Muhammad pedophile". EVIDENCE THAT AISHA WAS 9 WHEN HER MARRIAGE TO MUHAMMAD WAS CONSUMMATED - FROM THE HADITH OF SAHIH BUKHARI - answering-islam.org/Silas/ch...rides.htm
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Mon, March 26, 2007 - 1:56 PMIslam is not monolithic. Different people interpret it in different ways. And in an obviously failed effort to avoid distortion, it is understood that no translation of the Quran can be considered authentic (a stipulation unique, as far as I know, to Islam).
Does anyone here actually read Arabic? Has anyone here actually consulted with an Islamic authority to review the passages in question? Or are you all who are so anxious to bash Islam based on possibly mistranslated passages possibly taken out of context and clearly published as an attack that you'll settle for bigotry? -
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Tue, March 27, 2007 - 3:38 AMYeah, David -- the views here are incredibly one-sided on this issue. It's the same kind of blind rhetoric that allowed people to accept the invasion of Iraq: demonize the "enemy," accuse them of behavior that's less than human, which justifies whatever we want in the name of saving ourselves from the perceived threat (real or not).
I hate organized religion in general, being an atheist, but I also recognize that not every religious person is violently insane. And assuming that they are only drives wedges between moderates on all sides who want solutions. Fear leads to hate leads to more violence.
Blaming the Koran for Islamic violence is like blaming the unabridged dictionary for promoting foul language -- individual idiots are responsible for their reprehensible actions, not books, and not the ideas in books. We can read murder mysteries, or biographies of serial killers, and not feel the urge to commit crimes or kill people. It all comes down to choice, though it's important to recognize that extreme conditions -- like poverty or being surrounded by real violence on a daily basis -- can create circumstances whereby people are more likely to choose the wrong path. But it's still their choice to make.
And most people, even under duress or terrible conditions, still choose NOT to become violent. Violence is inevitably perpetrated by a driven, fanatical minority. The extreme examples you present, whether in the Koran or not, are not typically practiced by the majority of Muslims, just like the majority of Mormons don't practice polygamy.
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Tue, March 27, 2007 - 7:35 AMPeople want to feel secure that this very complex problem has a very simple solution -
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Tue, March 27, 2007 - 11:16 AMDavid & Allen, good job of finding fault with the messenger once again.
"Unless we separate fundamentalist thought from religion, we'll never be any closer to understanding what causes the hatred and violence perpetrated by people under the guise of religion. Fundamentalism is the real enemy, not a specific religion, as fundamentalism and its resulting fanaticism crosses ALL religious lines."
- Right, unless & until we're openly ALLOWED to discuss & expose specific points in detail, that will never happen. So thanks for your consistant attempts to stifle discussion, Allen.
Allen "It's the same kind of blind rhetoric that allowed people to accept the invasion of Iraq"
- Okay, that's absurd & you've just lost any credibility.
"I hate organized religion in general, being an atheist, but I also recognize that not every religious person is violently insane"
- Where do I say "every religious person is violently insane? Nice try Allen - I wonder if you're rooting for fundamentalist sometimes the way you defend it & try to stifle discussion.
"Blaming the Koran for Islamic violence is like blaming the unabridged dictionary for promoting foul language"
- Yet another riduculous analagy.
"individual idiots are responsible for their reprehensible actions, not books, and not the ideas in books."
- You seem to have no Idea what you're talking about. No religious holy books have no role in the millions of murders it its gods name.
Which is more violent, the Bible or the Quran?
"A good argument could be made that either book is the most violent and cruel book ever written. The award would go to one or the other, for neither has any close competitors. It is frightening to think that more than half of the world's population believes in one or the other."
dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com/2...ml
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Tue, March 27, 2007 - 11:28 AM"- You seem to have no Idea what you're talking about. No religious holy books have no role in the millions of murders it its gods name."
Honestly Chopper, these individuals would find any excuse to do what they are doing, the specific holy book that they quote, or use, is nothing more then the medium for their thoughts. What is happening in these areas, is born from desperation of various sorts, and nothing more. -
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Tue, March 27, 2007 - 11:58 AMSorry, I wanted to clarify, that religion does play a role in what is going on in the modern world, but to break it down and state that religion is the only element involved in the equation, that is causing a problems, and is basically as much nonsense as is the idea that the West is the problem. Replacing one ideology of hate with another is stupidity at its finest -
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Tue, March 27, 2007 - 12:31 PMThanks Dustin, Allens points above are well taken, however, here in this thread, there are merely another straw man argument. I'm focusing on Islam, Allen wants to go off on a tangent. Which is a slight of hand way of detracting from the topic & issues at hand. Which, happens to be exactly what I've experienced from Muslims on this issue.
God's curse be upon the infidels! Evil is that for which they have bartered away their souls. To deny God's own revelation, grudging that He should reveal His bounty to whom He chooses from among His servants! They have incurred God's most inexorable wrath. An ignominious punishment awaits the unbelievers. Q 2:92-6
Slay them wherever you find them. Drive them out of the places from which they drove you. Idolatry is worse than carnage. Q 2:190-3
When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. Q 9:5
Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home: an evil fate. Q 9:73
Men have authority over women because God has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. Q 4:34
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Tue, March 27, 2007 - 9:19 PM<at least the Japanese dont have to pay church tax as part of their governmental tax system,- like we do here in Switzerland!! >
I never knew that before. That is so interesting. I would like to see Churches in the USA pay property taxes they do own a lot of land. There is an old joke in Japan that there are so many registered temple in Japan because it exempts them from paying taxes and it is hard to argue that they are not a real temple.
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Sun, June 10, 2007 - 8:53 PM" Replacing one ideology of hate with another is stupidity at its finest "
[although THAT is the essence and achievement of the willful and reactionary monsters IN CONTROL, jks zog ]
'Evangelical' = Christion-ZIONISTS an utter apostasy.
moralsurgeon.blogspot.com/2007/...y.html
moralsurgeon.blogspot.com/2007/...d.html
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Wed, March 28, 2007 - 12:46 AM:: Right, unless & until we're openly ALLOWED to discuss & expose specific points in detail, that will never happen. So thanks for your consistant attempts to stifle discussion, Allen.
We are openly discussing it, right here and now.
:: Allen, you have no business in this thread
Ah, sweet irony -- thanks for making your hypocrisy so incredibly clear. Who's stifling whom now?
And I never mentioned your name in my response, so good job at taking personal offense. You just can't stand to be disagreed with, Chopper. You treat everybody who doesn't immediately jump on your bandwagon like an idiot. Such behavior certainly doesn't make you worth listening to. -
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Re: The Truth About Islam
Wed, March 28, 2007 - 8:58 AMOnce again Allen, just another attack on the messenger. You side with the fundamentalists. You'd prefer we all just keep our heads in the sand & never expose religion for what it really is, in order to have a more sustainable plaanet to live on. Good job. You embarrass all atheists & freethinkers when you do that. -
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Re: The Truth About Islam
Wed, March 28, 2007 - 12:44 PMI'm not siding with fundamentalists, I'm siding with reason, moderation, and humanism -- three concepts you'd rather do without. -
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Re: The Truth About Islam
Wed, March 28, 2007 - 12:51 PMI would have to side with Allen here Chopper, the line of reasoning that your following is what really turned me off to labeling myself an Atheist along time ago. Instead of battling Dogma, and promoting such things as rational thought, your reasoning has allowed you to become bedfellow of the very people you despise. -
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Re: The Truth About Islam
Wed, March 28, 2007 - 3:03 PMI would adamantly disagree. What nonsense. We won't have any 'reason, moderation, and humanism' until we can address the issues surrounding the fundamentalist Ideaology & dogma - something you 2 would tend to omit. Keeping your heads in the sand is your prefered method. But thanks again for attacking the messengers.
Other folks however, see that we have a very serious issue here not just with Islam, which is what this thread is about, but with Christianity & many other Ideaologies & dogmas as well. I am presenting facts about an abusive situation, blaming me or atheism is just another straw man of many that distracts from the real issues at hand in our day. Folks that continue to keep their heads in the sand allow the absusive situation to continue on & on uncontested. Which is how we got into the situation we have today.
"Infidel" by Ayaan Hirsi Ali -
Muslim girlhood forged a fighter against oppression
"..."Ma" tied Hirsi Ali's hands to her ankles with rope, put her on the floor on her belly, then whipped her mercilessly with a stick or wire.
When Hirsi Ali turned 5, a man came at the behest of her grandmother - though against the wishes of her more enlightened, absent father - and genitally mutilated her. He cut her clitoris and labia ("The entire procedure was torture"), then sewed up the area so the scar tissue formed a kind of "chastity belt."
Other not-so-sweet memories of childhood? Hirsi Ali's math teacher in Kenya beat her with a black plastic pipe. Her Kenyan Koran teacher, infuriated by signs of defiance, cracked her head against a wall, fracturing her skull and bursting a blood vessel in her eye. She had to undergo an operation on her skull."
"I found Hirsi Ali's approach to the emancipation of Islamic women attractive and identified with her for different reasons. Firstly because 18 years ago I left my homeland Iran as a refugee from an Islamic regime, whose suppression in the name of Islam I had experienced both because of my political background (as a leftist) and because of my gender. Secondly, I was also greatly concerned with the emancipation of women, particularly of women who share my own background: women from Islamic countries."
ayaanhirsiali.web-log.nl/ayaan...x.html
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